greenockraver Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Anyone know what division we start in? I would have preferred qualification to stay like it is just now for euro 2020 but the flipside is that there is a wildcard there if we dont make it. Its a bit arse backwards though as qualifying from your division gets easier as you move down the leagues because of the quality of teams. Is this the international version of what Platini done with the champions league ? (Ie. the champions route ensuring one diddy team per group.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Anyone know what division we start in? I would have preferred qualification to stay like it is just now for euro 2020 but the flipside is that there is a wildcard there if we dont make it. Its a bit arse backwards though as qualifying from your division gets easier as you move down the leagues because of the quality of teams. Is this the international version of what Platini done with the champions league ? (Ie. the champions route ensuring one diddy team per group.) What is the qualification system again? Pretty complicated IIRC, but looked like it opened the door for at least one team at each 'level' to make it to a tourney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The division we start in will presumably be determined by our UEFA coefficient at the time of the draw (probably early 2018). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 The division we start in will presumably be determined by our UEFA coefficient at the time of the draw (probably early 2018). Euro Vanarama Conference North (Juniors) then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I'll do what I usually do in these situations - look to Football Manager. At least until HibeeJibee comes in and corrects it. I imagine we'll start in Group C (3rd tier) but a good World Cup campaign could see us rise to Group B I imagine. We'd probably be better being in C, as we'll be facing worse teams, and a better chance of finishing top of the group and getting a wildcard playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I think I read that the draw will be made at the end of the WC2018 qualifiers, which will mean November 2017. In otherwords not including results from Russia 2018 itself. There will be 4 divisions. Each division will contain between 12 and 16 teams; these teams will be divided into 4 groups within each division. They play each other home-and-away, in the autumn of 2018. Group winners are promoted; bottom place are relegated; winners of the top division groups play a Finals Tournament in June 2019. In addition each division has 1 slot at Euro 2020. There will be playoffs in March 2020 (single-leg SFs & Final at neutral venues), involving the highest-placed team from each group which hasn't already qualified via Euro 2020 qualifying (10 groups of 5/6 ran throughout 2019). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Utter stick on we will be playing georgia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 So we will be playing teams at our level to qualify for this rather than teams we can't beat . We are going down to the 50s in the rankings though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 It'll be seeded by UEFA Coefficient (competitive games only), not FIFA World Ranking. We cannot look at the UNL route as anything but a back-up. It's played before the Euro 2020 qualifiers, with the playoffs following after, and we'd need to win our group then 2 single-leg knockout playoffs (SF & Final). EDIT: For clarity, we'd need to win our group to guarantee participation. Otherwise we'd be relying on whoever finished above us having qualified regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 It'll be seeded by UEFA Coefficient (competitive games only), not FIFA World Ranking. We cannot look at the UNL route as anything but a back-up. It's played before the Euro 2020 qualifiers, with the playoffs following after, and we'd need to win our group then 2 single-leg knockout playoffs (SF & Final). EDIT: For clarity, we'd need to win our group to guarantee participation. Otherwise we'd be relying on whoever finished above us having qualified regularly. And also important to note that to make room for these extra qualifiers, the playoff spot for the Euro Qualifying disappears. So it'll just be the top two going through from each group. Not a huge change, just removing the "half" spot. Still, it will be interesting to see how it affects the real qualifying stage. Given that once you start, if you've won your group then you're either in this Nations League Playoff or you're qualifying automatically, will that affect how some nations approach their games? I think having the 2.5 spots this time around led to certain teams giving more than they would usually, would be a shame to lose that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 We should do our utmost to decimate our co-efficient in the coming years. We probably won't qualify for the World Cup and by the time 2020 qualification comes round we will be in the bottom pool of the Nations League and will have a clear route to the finals against the minnows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 We should do our utmost to decimate our co-efficient in the coming years. We probably won't qualify for the World Cup and by the time 2020 qualification comes round we will be in the bottom pool of the Nations League and will have a clear route to the finals against the minnows. We will then be ranked third in the world for a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 We should do our utmost to decimate our co-efficient in the coming years. We probably won't qualify for the World Cup and by the time 2020 qualification comes round we will be in the bottom pool of the Nations League and will have a clear route to the finals against the minnows.Passing up friendlies during the international dates should certainly help.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Passing up friendlies during the international dates should certainly help.... It won't help at all, given that friendlies don't count towards the UEFA coefficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 It won't help at all, given that friendlies don't count towards the UEFA coefficient.Honestly didnt realise that.....is there a reason why? Fifa certainly dont ignore friendlies in their rankings.....i would have thought friendlies should at least be part of the calculation. I get that playing non eufa nations shouldnt be considered but given the relatively few matches played at international level the co efficient needs as much data as possible to be as accurate as it can.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 They only include matches that matter, rather than daft wee kickarounds. That's likely to make things more accurate rather than less accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 They only include matches that matter, rather than daft wee kickarounds. That's likely to make things more accurate rather than less accurate.Spose....given how few euro matches our clubs tho makes it very difficult to improve our coefficient....guess that explains why Wales have a freakishly high fifa ranking and a pish eufa coefficient.....we're destined to get stuck with Georgiaagain aren't we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 It won't help at all, given that friendlies don't count towards the UEFA coefficient. ^ Works for the SFA.... Our ranking affects our WC seedings doesnt it? And our rankings affected by friendly results? Personally id rather we qualify for a WC more than an EC, so we should take friendlies seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Friendlies count towards world rankings, and world rankings are used for seeding in World Cup qualifiers. That's not relevant to the point made above, which was a (presumably tongue in cheek) suggestion that Scotland should tank the World Cup qualifiers to put ourselves in the bottom pot for the first Nations League. The poster above claimed that the SFA not playing friendlies would help in that respect, but it wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenockraver Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 We should do our utmost to decimate our co-efficient in the coming years. We probably won't qualify for the World Cup and by the time 2020 qualification comes round we will be in the bottom pool of the Nations League and will have a clear route to the finals against the minnows. Theres a very strange logic in this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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