Man on a bike Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 You may well be correct. The SJFA is slowly moving towards abolishing the junior game as we know it. Their continued method is failing to face up to the problems facing the junior game, and continuing operate on the 19th/20th century outmoded set up. This will drive the top clubs into the established lower leagues where the main aim is to draw Rangers or Celtic away and into a commercial safety for a few years. Down the scale many existing junior clubs will disappear or surface in the amateur status. Would be interesting to see attendance figures on Saturdays Scottish ties. Few apart from Pollok would be paying the SJFA 15% gate tax. Around 12 games victims I presume of the weather. May well be cleared by Christmas with a bit of luck. To say the SJFA is moving towards abolishing the junior game is a bit harsh. Just a bit. There is the story of a frog in boiling water. If you drop a frog into boiling water it jumps out. If you put it in cold water it will sit there until it is boiled to death. The SJFA hierarchy have been sitting in what they think is cold water since the heyday of the 1950s. I supposed being wrapped in a blazer helps insulate them from the outside world for a while, and reduces the pain. In the 50s we had a final with Peterhill and Medda in front of 75,000 plus. Stories abound of clubs hiring trains to carry their supporters to away ties. Think Bo'ness had 18,5000 vs Ashfield in 1955.. The world outside has changed since the 1950s, as has football. The SJFA has not. If you don't change as everything around you changes, the only conclusion is closure. The removal of retention came not from the SJFA but people who are members of clubs going to an EU Commissioner. The successful reorganisation of the East Region came from the clubs. The promotion of the game through social media from supporters. Community radio coverage again from supporters. The SJFA do not call ANY shots. It comes from the SFA who tell them what to think and do (examples available). They will however be very busy going nothing. (Arranging deck chairs on the Titanic?). Cup draws, fining clubs for dodgy registrations, last minute fixtures being sort of announced, or the merged super super league plan - what the hell was that all about? So yes the junior game will gradually morph into some anachronistic element of the 'pyramid'. The game as we know it will die. The blazers will sit on their hands through all this, and with more opportunities to join some SFA committee or even the SFA board with all the privileges that go with such bribes, they will be smiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Shawfield Juniors went out of business before my time as a junior fan, but you could walk from Rutherglen Glencairn's old ground on Glasgow Road to Shawfield Juniors' old ground in five minutes. When you consider the number of junior teams there were around at the time, it makes it all the more remarkable that two teams so close met in the Scottish Junior Cup Final in 1939. The story i heard from those around at the time was there was only four Shawfield committee men left and no helpers. Heard they got £2000??? each from the old Glasgow Corporation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 To say the SJFA is moving towards abolishing the junior game is a bit harsh. Just a bit. There is the story of a frog in boiling water. If you drop a frog into boiling water it jumps out. If you put it in cold water it will sit there until it is boiled to death. The SJFA hierarchy have been sitting in what they think is cold water since the heyday of the 1950s. I supposed being wrapped in a blazer helps insulate them from the outside world for a while, and reduces the pain. In the 50s we had a final with Peterhill and Medda in front of 75,000 plus. Stories abound of clubs hiring trains to carry their supporters to away ties. Think Bo'ness had 18,5000 vs Ashfield in 1955.. The world outside has changed since the 1950s, as has football. The SJFA has not. If you don't change as everything around you changes, the only conclusion is closure. The removal of retention came not from the SJFA but people who are members of clubs going to an EU Commissioner. The successful reorganisation of the East Region came from the clubs. The promotion of the game through social media from supporters. Community radio coverage again from supporters. The SJFA do not call ANY shots. It comes from the SFA who tell them what to think and do (examples available). They will however be very busy going nothing. (Arranging deck chairs on the Titanic?). Cup draws, fining clubs for dodgy registrations, last minute fixtures being sort of announced, or the merged super super league plan - what the hell was that all about? So yes the junior game will gradually morph into some anachronistic element of the 'pyramid'. The game as we know it will die. The blazers will sit on their hands through all this, and with more opportunities to join some SFA committee or even the SFA board with all the privileges that go with such bribes, they will be smiling. Great post but you missed something out regarding the Blazers, time. The present Blazers will be dead in 20/30/40 years time. A new group of Blazers will get any perks going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 The story i heard from those around at the time was there was only four Shawfield committee men left and no helpers. Heard they got £2000??? each from the old Glasgow Corporation. Just to add to that, the last twice we have won the cup (1939 and 1927) we have beaten local rivals in the final, Shawfield Juniors in 1939 and Cambuslang Rangers in 1927. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 U were lucky in 1927! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 U were lucky in 1927! You were only 35 at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Just to add to that, the last twice we have won the cup (1939 and 1927) we have beaten local rivals in the final, Shawfield Juniors in 1939 and Cambuslang Rangers in 1927. Who did Shawfield Juniors meet in the 1939 semi final of the Junior Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 To say the SJFA is moving towards abolishing the junior game is a bit harsh. Just a bit. There is the story of a frog in boiling water. If you drop a frog into boiling water it jumps out. If you put it in cold water it will sit there until it is boiled to death. The SJFA hierarchy have been sitting in what they think is cold water since the heyday of the 1950s. I supposed being wrapped in a blazer helps insulate them from the outside world for a while, and reduces the pain. In the 50s we had a final with Peterhill and Medda in front of 75,000 plus. Stories abound of clubs hiring trains to carry their supporters to away ties. Think Bo'ness had 18,5000 vs Ashfield in 1955.. The world outside has changed since the 1950s, as has football. The SJFA has not. If you don't change as everything around you changes, the only conclusion is closure. The removal of retention came not from the SJFA but people who are members of clubs going to an EU Commissioner. The successful reorganisation of the East Region came from the clubs. The promotion of the game through social media from supporters. Community radio coverage again from supporters. The SJFA do not call ANY shots. It comes from the SFA who tell them what to think and do (examples available). They will however be very busy going nothing. (Arranging deck chairs on the Titanic?). Cup draws, fining clubs for dodgy registrations, last minute fixtures being sort of announced, or the merged super super league plan - what the hell was that all about? So yes the junior game will gradually morph into some anachronistic element of the 'pyramid'. The game as we know it will die. The blazers will sit on their hands through all this, and with more opportunities to join some SFA committee or even the SFA board with all the privileges that go with such bribes, they will be smiling. Aren't you the one though who advocates a return to the Fife Junior League? or have you seen the light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Who did Shawfield Juniors meet in the 1939 semi final of the Junior Cup? I don't have that information, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Who did Shawfield Juniors meet in the 1939 semi final of the Junior Cup? They beat Cambuslang Rangers 1-0 at Celtic Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 They beat Cambuslang Rangers 1-0 at Celtic Park. Who did Glens beat in the other semi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Cant u remember? U were lucky that shawfield beat us in the semi or we would have retained the cup like we did in1971/2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 So in 1939 three of the four Junior Cup semi finalists came from nearby each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Less than 3 miles apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PtB Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 In the 50s we had a final with Peterhill and Medda in front of 75,000 plus. Stories abound of clubs hiring trains to carry their supporters to away ties. Think Bo'ness had 18,5000 vs Ashfield in 1955.. Fair play to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaspinnernet2 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 if the juniors were go defunct why not rebrand with the lowland league as 8 teams for the west and 8 team from the east in a lowland league premier division and segregated the leagues into the west and the east and the north juniors join the highland league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drs Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 When people talk about change in Junior football it always appears to be the SJFA that get the blame for everything and yet the regions are run on an OMOV system. I've never understood why if clubs are so unhappy with how things are run they don't collaborate outside of the SJFA structure of meetings etc to ensure that they have the backing to introduce change at the yearly regional AGM before looking to take things to a national level. Is it really that difficult to get 35 clubs in the West, for example, to propose, second and then get passed a resolution that gives a full years fixture list at the start of the season? In Junior football its the clubs that hold all of the power but none of them seem in the slightest bit interested in actually using it, If it is beyond the ken of the clubs to band together and implement progressive change then the game really is a bogey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man on a bike Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 When people talk about change in Junior football it always appears to be the SJFA that get the blame for everything and yet the regions are run on an OMOV system. I've never understood why if clubs are so unhappy with how things are run they don't collaborate outside of the SJFA structure of meetings etc to ensure that they have the backing to introduce change at the yearly regional AGM before looking to take things to a national level. Is it really that difficult to get 35 clubs in the West, for example, to propose, second and then get passed a resolution that gives a full years fixture list at the start of the season? In Junior football its the clubs that hold all of the power but none of them seem in the slightest bit interested in actually using it, If it is beyond the ken of the clubs to band together and implement progressive change then the game really is a bogey. Not difficult at all for clubs to do as you suggest, in theory at least. The reality is that many clubs are nervous about challenging what is usually entrenched defensive positions by the blazers. The resistance to any change is such that individuals and clubs put their heads above the parapet at their peril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan of the juniors Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I believe we have a decent product but it's ran terribly Those in power saying a fixture list is unworkable is laughable . They just can't be bothered pure & simple. The problem is that the tail wags the dug in that forward thinking clubs who want change , improving facilities & want a more professional set up are basically voted down by clubs who are basically amateur in all but name Too many teams who in the grand scheme of things are quite happy plodding along & continuing with no fixture lists , half derelict stadiums etc with too much of a voice Ps these are my views & I am only a fan of my club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 But clubs don't get voted down at the agm. Clubs don't raise any issues or suggestions at the agm. Yes the fans and voices may be in here. However the club committees are either apathetic or plain scared. Retention for instance you would have imagined after the downfield and various north juniors debacle being raised. Not a mention by any club. All that happens is the buffet gets eaten (even by Hermes). Frankly the clubs by default 100% support the dinosaurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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