PudgieTheSheep Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Now I love the fact that we're starting to achieve something in international football, we're looking like a well constructed team that can compete for qualification to international tournaments and hopefully we won't have another glorious failure situation that we're all so familiar with, but, would you trade it all for more players coming from the SPFL? Now obviously it'd be a big risk, but if the SFA were to communicate that we were trying to better the Scottish game I think it would buy the manager more time and give a little leeway to experiment more than currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 If theyre good enough then yes, if theyre not then no, couldnt give a shite about what clubs players are from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Aberdonians really do live in a proper bubble, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Sportello Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Imagine wanting Graeme Shinnie in the Scotland squad ahead of Robertson/Whittaker/Forsyth. Fucking deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Imagine wanting Graeme Shinnie in the Scotland squad ahead of Robertson/Whittaker/Forsyth. Fucking deluded. Tbf I would have maybe had Shinnie in over Forsyth, but thats definitely it from the Dons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 And if one of these SPFL players proved to be world class and was to be sold to Barcelona for millions would; His move exclude him from future Scotland squads? or the SFA ban the move and compensate the club for lost income to keep him in Scotland squad? Players move and play where they can, restricting selection is daft. Pick the best eligible players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Malkmus Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Imagine wanting Graeme Shinnie in the Scotland squad ahead of Robertson/Whittaker/Forsyth. Fucking deluded. Graeme Shinnie is twice the player Forsyth is ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Graeme Shinnie is twice the player Forsyth is ffs. Behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PudgieTheSheep Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'm not saying specifically players from Aberdeen should be in, but playing Championship players with questionable Scottish connections harms our league imo. The below is the total for players in the squad and their respective leagues. Premiership - 8 Championship - 21 Chicago Fire - 1 None of these are part of elite teams where they're must picks. A move to Barca is exactly what we should be looking for. When was the last truly successful export out of the top league in Scotland? Ryan Gauld must be the only one to move abroad and he's not made it yet. Are we really saying that the SPFL Prem can't produce one player from it's current crop that's good enough to break into that? Greg Stewart, Scott Bain, Graeme Shinnie, Nick Ross, Ryan Christie, Callum Patterson, John Souttar... All players that are a possibility and you've Reynolds to add to that after he comes back from injury, yet none of these players have any chance of getting into a starting eleven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'm not saying specifically players from Aberdeen should be in, but playing Championship players with questionable Scottish connections harms our league imo. The below is the total for players in the squad and their respective leagues. Premiership - 8 Championship - 21 Chicago Fire - 1 None of these are part of elite teams where they're must picks. A move to Barca is exactly what we should be looking for. When was the last truly successful export out of the top league in Scotland? Ryan Gauld must be the only one to move abroad and he's not made it yet. Are we really saying that the SPFL Prem can't produce one player from it's current crop that's good enough to break into that? Greg Stewart, Scott Bain, Graeme Shinnie, Nick Ross, Ryan Christie, Callum Patterson, John Souttar... All players that are a possibility and you've Reynolds to add to that after he comes back from injury, yet none of these players have any chance of getting into a starting eleven. Yes theres not one Scottish Premiership player, outwith Celtic players, thats good enough to break into Scotlands starting 11. That in no way whatsoever harms our league, putting Scottish Premiership players into Scotlands starting 11 will not improve our league and will only make us worse as a national side, much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Greg Stewart, Scott Bain, Graeme Shinnie, Nick Ross, Ryan Christie, Callum Patterson, John Souttar... All players that are a possibility and you've Reynolds to add to that after he comes back from injury, yet none of these players have any chance of getting into a starting eleven. They don't have a chance because all of the players they're up against for a start are better than them, not because they play in Scotland. Nick Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PudgieTheSheep Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Yes theres not one Scottish Premiership player, outwith Celtic players, thats good enough to break into Scotlands starting 11. That in no way whatsoever harms our league, putting Scottish Premiership players into Scotlands starting 11 will not improve our league and will only make us worse as a national side, much worse. So having players that are capped and in the shop window and get the experience of playing against other international class players won't help the league? I think any time we look at the Scotland squad it looks like the Championship down south is vastly superior to the Premiership up here. That brings the reputation of "the rest of the teams" in Scotland when our players up here have zero chance of being included in a starting XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Could just imagine Scotland lining up against Germany with Scott Bain Callum Patterson Andy Considine Mark Reynolds Graeme Shinnie John Souttar Ryan Jack James Forrest Nick Ross Ryan Christie David Goodwillie Whilst James Morrison, Darren Fletcher, Russell Martin, Stevie Naismith, Stevie Whittaker, Matt Ritchie etc were all sitting at home saying to themselves 'f**k me I better get myself away from the EPL and get a move up to Killie if am wantin tae play in the Euros' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 So having players that are capped and in the shop window and get the experience of playing against other international class players won't help the league? I think any time we look at the Scotland squad it looks like the Championship down south is vastly superior to the Premiership up here. That brings the reputation of "the rest of the teams" in Scotland when our players up here have zero chance of being included in a starting XI. It is, and thats to do with money and the size of the clubs, not the amount of international players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdrie Onions Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 So we should sacrifice our chances of qualifying for a tournament in the slight chance it might improve our league a bit? I think I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHartson Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 So having players that are capped and in the shop window and get the experience of playing against other international class players won't help the league? I think any time we look at the Scotland squad it looks like the Championship down south is vastly superior to the Premiership up here. That brings the reputation of "the rest of the teams" in Scotland when our players up here have zero chance of being included in a starting XI. That's because it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Simao Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Could just imagine Scotland lining up against Germany with Scott Bain Callum Patterson Andy Considine Mark Reynolds Graeme Shinnie John Souttar Ryan Jack James Forrest Nick Ross Ryan Christie David Goodwillie Whilst James Morrison, Darren Fletcher, Russell Martin, Stevie Naismith, Stevie Whittaker, Matt Ritchie etc were all sitting at home saying to themselves 'f**k me I better get myself away from the EPL and get a move up to Killie if am wantin tae play in the Euros' Mikey O'halloran would have Erik Durm on toast tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PudgieTheSheep Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Could just imagine Scotland lining up against Germany with Scott Bain Callum Patterson Andy Considine Mark Reynolds Graeme Shinnie John Souttar Ryan Jack James Forrest Nick Ross Ryan Christie David Goodwillie Whilst James Morrison, Darren Fletcher, Russell Martin, Stevie Naismith, Stevie Whittaker, Matt Ritchie etc were all sitting at home saying to themselves 'f**k me I better get myself away from the EPL and get a move up to Killie if am wantin tae play in the Euros' You haven't named one Championship player. That 8 are almost unarguable picks. They're playing in a league above anything that the SPFL can offer and you're picking an argument that I haven't made. It's the 21 players that come from the Championship that can be debated. It's a massive squad that you can pick, and selecting and playing two or three players playing in the Scottish Premiership would greatly benefit the teams that they play for. Are you really saying Greg Stewart couldn't score against Gibraltar? That Ryan Jack couldn't hack it in midfield against Georgia? Capping players means you can stick a higher pricetag on players heads. Christ, we very nearly sold Jamie Langfield because he was called up to a Scotland squad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Look at some of the smaller nations around Europe who have qualified for major tournaments recently. Belgium, Bosnia, Sweden, Slovakia, Ireland. How many domestic based players did they have in their squads? Not very many, none at all in Ireland's case. The standard of football in the Scottish domestic league is pretty hopeless, as we see every summer when our domestic teams are knocked out at the pre-qualifying stages in Europe. Therefore, it is better for the international team to have as many English based players as possible. It's better for us to have our players facing a better standard of opponent week in week out. It's no surprise that the best Scottish player this century - Darren Fletcher - never has and likely never will kick a ball in senior Scottish football. He got down to England early and got himself playing against a better standard of opponent early. It's high time more of our youngsters did the same. I believe we have already had our first starting 11 with 0 Scottish based players recently? I'm sure it won't be long till we have our first full squad with 0 Scottish based players either I'm sure. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 You haven't named one Championship player. That 8 are almost unarguable picks. They're playing in a league above anything that the SPFL can offer and you're picking an argument that I haven't made. It's the 21 players that come from the Championship that can be debated. It's a massive squad that you can pick, and selecting and playing two or three players playing in the Scottish Premiership would greatly benefit the teams that they play for. Are you really saying Greg Stewart couldn't score against Gibraltar? That Ryan Jack couldn't hack it in midfield against Georgia? Capping players means you can stick a higher pricetag on players heads. Christ, we very nearly sold Jamie Langfield because he was called up to a Scotland squad! The championship players are all better than whats in the Premiership here too (outwith Celtic), that cannot be debated. Marshall and MacGregor is better than any keeper up here Robertson better than any left back here, Forsyth better than any left back up here with the exception of maybe Shinnie/Lee Wallace. Berra/Hanley/Greer better than any Scottish centre halves up here. Johnny Russell and Chris Martin better than any forward players up here. It really is that simple. Yes Stewart could score against Gibraltar, but so could a barrowload of better Scottish players playing elsewhere, yes Jack could take a game against Georgia, but not better than a barrowload of Scottish players playing elsewhere could. Theres not 21 players from the Championship either? Theres 6 from Celtic 1 from Chicago Fire, soon to be at Hull in thwe Championship 9 from the Championship (all playing for the top teams in the Championship, apart from maybe Greer) 10 from the EPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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