MUSSY EXILE Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 What gives? Not seen anything mentioned. None at Musselburgh yesterday and apparently none at Lithgy v Bonnyrigg. Is this true of all games? Whats the story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 What gives? Not seen anything mentioned. None at Musselburgh yesterday and apparently none at Lithgy v Bonnyrigg. Is this true of all games? Whats the story? Lack of officials because it was Scottish cup day yesterday apparently . Must admit I hate games with no assistant refs and sympathise with referees having to call decisions all by themselves ( offsides in particular as he's got no chance ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Maturin Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 The reason was that assistants who normally get junior games were moved to Scottish Cup duty and were also used to backfill the LL. Unfortunately with not being part of the pyramid the juniors are at the back of the queue for assistants these days, as the LL gets filled first. And of course there is a shortage of them in any case. No wonder though. who would take the abuse they get for the pittance they receive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRoyGuy Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 How come never been a mention of a shortage of them in the West super leagues before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep77 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Camelon v Carnoustie had Lino s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Those 2 games are shown as 'tbc' on SFA appointments page. Presumably they simply couldn't find any. There aren't enough, once the professional game and womens top tier have had their mandatory allocations. Here are the figures for the last 2 weeks, they actually rustled-up 2 more yesterday: Saturday 8th August SPFL - 21 games HL - 9 games LL - 7 games West Juniors - 11 games (sectional cups) East Juniors - 9 games = 57 games Saturday 15th August SPFL - 21 games HL - 8 games LL - 7 games (inc. 3 local cup ties) West Juniors - 11 games (sectional cups) East Juniors - 7 games Scottish Cup - 5 games = 59 games Not going to change unless more officials are recruited and retained. Maybe people should think of that before they abuse / criticise them on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Font Of Information Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 St Andrews Utd v Bo'ness Utd had two assistants, one of which is a SPFL assistant the other a very experienced referee at Junior level, neither got many of their decisions wrong and watching them and speaking to them actually understood why some decisions are given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Dan Otherthing Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 There was only one Scottish tie (Civil Service, where our tattooed friend ran the line) requiring East linos yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Let's face it the position for most Junior games in the east is there are no assistant refs. Watching games in the Superleague means you take them for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleboy1969 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Assistants at dale game .but heard tayside referees association put them out as assistants to gain experience . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUSSEYBOY Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 The only people at fault for this is the folk at the top. If there is a shortage and judging by the above, there is, then what are they doing about it??? Has anyone seen any posters or adverts asking for people to take up refereeing?? There is a link on their website but they are far more interested flogging tickets for the national team. Feel for the refs - A lino can get every call wrong but because he is closer you dont question it as much but a referee can get every call right but because he is further away supporters question it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I certainly see more material about recruiting match officials now than I have before? I'm not convinced that posters or adverts in websites really make much difference anyway: that sort of thing really isn't going to cause someone who wouldn't have taken-up refereeing otherwise to do so; and it is very unlikely that you'd reach a meaningful number of people who'd never thought about it - but would do so and follow right through if the idea is sparked. I'd still like to see more of it, though, if nothing else to show support for existing officials. I suspect the recruitment method most likely to bring people through to this level remains much the same as ever... players who have to give the game up early; people involved at a recreational level like kids games being persuaded to take it forward; and being able to hook of those who come forward to local referee associations and the SFA to enquire. There is certainly no question of it being "only the fault of the folk at the top". It is the fault of the whole game: * the authorities - i.e. the folk at the top - who could probably do more promote recruitment, and defend refereeing. * the clubs who basically have nothing to do with the issue (in contrast with rugby for example), and gripe over increasing fees and expenses, and usually care nothing about the way their players and coaches treat refs (also in contrast with other sports). * players and supporters who abuse, insult or disrespect match officials whilst demanding high quality, thus making it an less attractive hobby, or criticise them on places like this afterwards - often without actually knowing the rules ourselves. Managers also contribute their share of abuse and frequently resort to blaming refs after suffering bad results. Local media also plays its part - perceived poor refereeing performances are almost invariably mentioned and named, good ones almost never are. It is everyone's fault. EDIT: Also I think there was a PR piece from SFA saying there had been an increase in new refs. Imagine what it would be like if there hadn't. Might be struggling for hardly any outwith SPFL/HL/LL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 The only people at fault for this is the folk at the top. If there is a shortage and judging by the above, there is, then what are they doing about it??? Has anyone seen any posters or adverts asking for people to take up refereeing?? There is a link on their website but they are far more interested flogging tickets for the national team. Feel for the refs - A lino can get every call wrong but because he is closer you dont question it as much but a referee can get every call right but because he is further away supporters question it! To be honest people stopping treating them like shite and constantly abusing them would help recruit more officials than any advertising campaign . These guys are slaughtered every single week and no wonder there is a shortage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surely not! Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 There are quite a few schools delivering courses in conjunction with the sfa to develop referees- although this obviously won't have an immediate effect on the shortage at this level. Ask yourself, how many folk will go to a game -and see what happens at said game, and walk away thinking ' hey, being a ref looks like something I'd really like to put myself through' . For almost everyone who likes football it's the best way to make it to being involved at the top level of the sport but the reality of getting there and the levels and torrents of anise that go with them put the majority off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Seems to be plenty assistants in the Dundee area. Getting younger and quite a few girls as well. Days of fat bastads or old past it has beens seems to be going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The south east may suffer from the number of teams in the region who are in the lowland league if there is a general shortage. The lowland league will always take precedence which may not have been the case before the restructure. 7 sets of assistants for a 60+ team structure is pretty poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleslie99 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 There is plenty refs but a lack of assistants, for a ref to referee junior level or above they need to apply to get their games watched by the hierarchy and be assessed. At that stage they choose whether to go down the line of a referee or a specialist assistant (lino) as u can imagine the majority choose to be a ref. Also the majority are happy to referee at amateur/youth level, pick up 40quid cash in hand and go home with as little grief as possible. As previously stated everyone is to blame with the lack of referees and assistants wishing to progress due to abuse etc. Btw, the juniors pay less for linos than amateurs do for a ref (don't think junior refs get much more if anything either) so why would u take a pay cut to give up your Saturday afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 There is plenty refs but a lack of assistants, for a ref to referee junior level or above they need to apply to get their games watched by the hierarchy and be assessed. At that stage they choose whether to go down the line of a referee or a specialist assistant (lino) as u can imagine the majority choose to be a ref. Also the majority are happy to referee at amateur/youth level, pick up 40quid cash in hand and go home with as little grief as possible. As previously stated everyone is to blame with the lack of referees and assistants wishing to progress due to abuse etc. Btw, the juniors pay less for linos than amateurs do for a ref (don't think junior refs get much more if anything either) so why would u take a pay cut to give up your Saturday afternoon Referees entering junior football will often run the line at Premier and Super Premier games and also officiate games in the lower leagues. That's pretty much how it works through most of the refereeing pyramid - once they make the Senior List proper, they'll officiate in the Juniors and run the line in Division 2. Those officials who opt for the Specialist Assistant role within refereeing will largely only officiate in Senior football. The fees are £22.50 for the line and £45.00 in the middle. Largely, the only officials happy to take a line appointment in the juniors are those wanting to get up the ladder. Why take the extra time (and grief!) and the lower fee when you can do amateur or kids football for £40? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The south east may suffer from the number of teams in the region who are in the lowland league if there is a general shortage. The lowland league will always take precedence which may not have been the case before the restructure. 7 sets of assistants for a 60+ team structure is pretty poor. LL hasn't affected it. EOSL used to get half-a-dozen or so pairs of officials - sometimes more - as the Premier was usually covered and occasionally First division games too. Now it apparently gets none. And that's a 15+ team structure within the pyramid system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Maturin Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 As I get ready to leave to go to Musselburgh no less than five of the eight super league games this afternoon have no confirmed assistants. This is making the game a joke. It's difficult enough for refs without having linos and quite frankly ruins it as a spectacle. I guess someone has to have a think about increasing the amount assistants are paid, to at least try and attract more as at the moment its a shambles which seems to be getting worse. Maybe they will find ten linos since the appointments list was updated this morning. I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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