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Two more people I know who voted No would now vote Yes.

Independence is less than a decade away!!

Post-referendum quite a few have said that to me as well, but I'm sceptical as to whether they would - the ones I'm thinking of inhabit that generally apolitical zone where they'd prefer the status quo to anything that might upset the equilibrium of their daily life.

It's possible the spectre of another five years of austerity under the Tories might have given them a wake-up call and made them have a rethink, but I'm not sure if they'd really make the jump.

Although a proportion of No voters might now be having regrets, on the other side of the coin I've not heard a soul who voted Yes saying they regretted doing that.

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Non-politico friend who didn't vote but would have voted No (he couldn't be arsed with it all), says he would now go out of his way to vote Yes.

Means f**k all on an internet message board, but encouraging for Indyref2, if others are hearing this too.

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I've been posting on here for a long time (in between bans), and I remember back when as an independence supporter (and non SNP voter), I was completely in the minority. There werent many of us, we were ridiculed and mocked, and we had to win round every person, one at a time. The Unionists were rampant, and boy were they quick to say so.

Changed times now, but we must not falter. Some people must reach out to the unionists to convince them. Others must ensure the voices of union are crushed into the dirt where they belong.

The battle isnt over yet!

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I don't regret it as such, I still don't think we are or were ready for independence, but I do think it's an inevitable process and I do expect it within a decade.

What makes you think that Scotland is different from, say Finland, or any other comparable sized nation?

Why do you think that your own country is unique in that it simply can't go it alone?

Why do YOU hate YOUR country so much?

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What makes you think that Scotland is different from, say Finland, or any other comparable sized nation?

Why do you think that your own country is unique in that it simply can't go it alone?

Why do YOU hate YOUR country so much?

My theory, he's a spineless toad, indoctrinated in fear and self loathing. The classical "too wee, too poor" uncle Tam. The problem I have with him is that this attitude is annoying but understandable in someone who hasn't seen the facts or doesn't pay attention outside the Daily Record, but he saw the facts, he heard the argument, he gave it consideration, and he decided that in the face of facts, reality, and a Unionist campaign full of fear. Fear was the winner.

I still don't think we are or were ready for independence"

How does a country get ready for independence? We're a damn sight more "ready" than many other countries were when we became independent. We run our own healthcare, education, legal system, have all the resources and infrastructure in place, both physically (airports, roads, hospitals etc.) and politically (a functioning national government). We are as ready as it gets. What we need now are for the toadying wee nawbags to grow a spine.

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Joseph Chamberlain said:

‘In politics, there is no use in looking beyond the next fortnight.’

This was before miscalculating the short-term situation when he bungled the Home Rule crisis.

Even the next fortnight was too long for Chamberlain to predict.

The reality is that the political situation can change very quickly and no-one on either side of this debate can bank on events following the course they predicted.

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I don't regret it as such, I still don't think we are or were ready for independence, but I do think it's an inevitable process and I do expect it within a decade.

course we are ready, it won't achieve the socialist utopia that most yessers seem to want though- a symptom of a yes campaign targeted squarely at soft labour voters
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course we are ready, it won't achieve the socialist utopia that most yessers seem to want though- a symptom of a yes campaign targeted squarely at soft labour voters

We have more chance of getting closer to it as Scotland than we do as part of North Britain though.

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I've been posting on here for a long time (in between bans), and I remember back when as an independence supporter (and non SNP voter), I was completely in the minority. There werent many of us, we were ridiculed and mocked, and we had to win round every person, one at a time. The Unionists were rampant, and boy were they quick to say so.

Changed times now, but we must not falter. Some people must reach out to the unionists to convince them. Others must ensure the voices of union are crushed into the dirt where they belong.

The battle isnt over yet!

The original independence thread was something like 30 percent yes on here im sure

The last one done was in the 90s

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My theory, he's a spineless toad, indoctrinated in fear and self loathing. The classical "too wee, too poor" uncle Tam. The problem I have with him is that this attitude is annoying but understandable in someone who hasn't seen the facts or doesn't pay attention outside the Daily Record, but he saw the facts, he heard the argument, he gave it consideration, and he decided that in the face of facts, reality, and a Unionist campaign full of fear. Fear was the winner.

It still saddens me that 55% of people who voted fell for it. That's not entirely fair though, not all of those who voted No fell for the too wee, too poor line.

Some were just outright selfish "what's in it for me" characters.

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The original independence thread was something like 30 percent yes on here im sure

The last one done was in the 90s

Aye, I was practically the lone voice in the darkness. Of course, now the majority of political posters are pro-independence, and yet I'm still practically the lone voice in the darkness. History needs its butchers as well as its shepherds. And we have plenty of shepherds.

It still saddens me that 55% of people who voted fell for it. That's not entirely fair though, not all of those who voted No fell for the too wee, too poor line.

Some were just outright selfish "what's in it for me" characters.

Aye, I don't mind those that fell for the line out of lack of knowledge. Its those that knew the facts and yet STILL voted against it. North Britain's shame. Not forgiven by me. I left the country with a broken heart.

Edited to add TL:DR Translation: Cower brief mortals, for I was your prophet.

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55% didn't "fall for it" many simply didn't and don't want it. I doubt support for independence will ever seriously exceed around 60% as there's too many entrenched interests both on a collective and an individual level for it to happen. The Yes campaign arguably won the campaign among the lower classes (who definitely need it the most judging by Westminster's war on the poor) but completely failed to win over the largely comfortable middle classes which is an admittedly far more difficult task. They, in their own heads at least, have more at risk and subsequently more to lose. It's going to be difficult to convince them to take what's essentially a dive into the unknown. As it stands I can't see them changing their mind unless things get much shitter for them at Westminster which tbf is completely possible.

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