John Lambies Doos Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Two more people I know who voted No would now vote Yes. Independence is less than a decade away!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 What an intelligent, scientific analysis that was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Two more people I know who voted No would now vote Yes. Independence is less than a decade away!! Post-referendum quite a few have said that to me as well, but I'm sceptical as to whether they would - the ones I'm thinking of inhabit that generally apolitical zone where they'd prefer the status quo to anything that might upset the equilibrium of their daily life. It's possible the spectre of another five years of austerity under the Tories might have given them a wake-up call and made them have a rethink, but I'm not sure if they'd really make the jump. Although a proportion of No voters might now be having regrets, on the other side of the coin I've not heard a soul who voted Yes saying they regretted doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 That's me convinced. Call another referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 What an intelligent, scientific analysis that was... Cheers for the compliment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitaltrueblue Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I absolutely regret it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I don't regret it as such, I still don't think we are or were ready for independence, but I do think it's an inevitable process and I do expect it within a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Non-politico friend who didn't vote but would have voted No (he couldn't be arsed with it all), says he would now go out of his way to vote Yes. Means f**k all on an internet message board, but encouraging for Indyref2, if others are hearing this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Unionists diminishing? If only. I've put on a stone this past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Bit of a bizarre thread but yes, they are diminishing ever so slowly and will continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl. Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I've been posting on here for a long time (in between bans), and I remember back when as an independence supporter (and non SNP voter), I was completely in the minority. There werent many of us, we were ridiculed and mocked, and we had to win round every person, one at a time. The Unionists were rampant, and boy were they quick to say so. Changed times now, but we must not falter. Some people must reach out to the unionists to convince them. Others must ensure the voices of union are crushed into the dirt where they belong. The battle isnt over yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I don't regret it as such, I still don't think we are or were ready for independence, but I do think it's an inevitable process and I do expect it within a decade. What makes you think that Scotland is different from, say Finland, or any other comparable sized nation? Why do you think that your own country is unique in that it simply can't go it alone? Why do YOU hate YOUR country so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl. Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 What makes you think that Scotland is different from, say Finland, or any other comparable sized nation? Why do you think that your own country is unique in that it simply can't go it alone? Why do YOU hate YOUR country so much? My theory, he's a spineless toad, indoctrinated in fear and self loathing. The classical "too wee, too poor" uncle Tam. The problem I have with him is that this attitude is annoying but understandable in someone who hasn't seen the facts or doesn't pay attention outside the Daily Record, but he saw the facts, he heard the argument, he gave it consideration, and he decided that in the face of facts, reality, and a Unionist campaign full of fear. Fear was the winner. I still don't think we are or were ready for independence" How does a country get ready for independence? We're a damn sight more "ready" than many other countries were when we became independent. We run our own healthcare, education, legal system, have all the resources and infrastructure in place, both physically (airports, roads, hospitals etc.) and politically (a functioning national government). We are as ready as it gets. What we need now are for the toadying wee nawbags to grow a spine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Joseph Chamberlain said: ‘In politics, there is no use in looking beyond the next fortnight.’ This was before miscalculating the short-term situation when he bungled the Home Rule crisis. Even the next fortnight was too long for Chamberlain to predict. The reality is that the political situation can change very quickly and no-one on either side of this debate can bank on events following the course they predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I don't regret it as such, I still don't think we are or were ready for independence, but I do think it's an inevitable process and I do expect it within a decade.course we are ready, it won't achieve the socialist utopia that most yessers seem to want though- a symptom of a yes campaign targeted squarely at soft labour voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl. Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 course we are ready, it won't achieve the socialist utopia that most yessers seem to want though- a symptom of a yes campaign targeted squarely at soft labour voters We have more chance of getting closer to it as Scotland than we do as part of North Britain though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I've been posting on here for a long time (in between bans), and I remember back when as an independence supporter (and non SNP voter), I was completely in the minority. There werent many of us, we were ridiculed and mocked, and we had to win round every person, one at a time. The Unionists were rampant, and boy were they quick to say so. Changed times now, but we must not falter. Some people must reach out to the unionists to convince them. Others must ensure the voices of union are crushed into the dirt where they belong. The battle isnt over yet! The original independence thread was something like 30 percent yes on here im sure The last one done was in the 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 My theory, he's a spineless toad, indoctrinated in fear and self loathing. The classical "too wee, too poor" uncle Tam. The problem I have with him is that this attitude is annoying but understandable in someone who hasn't seen the facts or doesn't pay attention outside the Daily Record, but he saw the facts, he heard the argument, he gave it consideration, and he decided that in the face of facts, reality, and a Unionist campaign full of fear. Fear was the winner. It still saddens me that 55% of people who voted fell for it. That's not entirely fair though, not all of those who voted No fell for the too wee, too poor line. Some were just outright selfish "what's in it for me" characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl. Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 The original independence thread was something like 30 percent yes on here im sure The last one done was in the 90s Aye, I was practically the lone voice in the darkness. Of course, now the majority of political posters are pro-independence, and yet I'm still practically the lone voice in the darkness. History needs its butchers as well as its shepherds. And we have plenty of shepherds. It still saddens me that 55% of people who voted fell for it. That's not entirely fair though, not all of those who voted No fell for the too wee, too poor line. Some were just outright selfish "what's in it for me" characters. Aye, I don't mind those that fell for the line out of lack of knowledge. Its those that knew the facts and yet STILL voted against it. North Britain's shame. Not forgiven by me. I left the country with a broken heart. Edited to add TL:DR Translation: Cower brief mortals, for I was your prophet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 55% didn't "fall for it" many simply didn't and don't want it. I doubt support for independence will ever seriously exceed around 60% as there's too many entrenched interests both on a collective and an individual level for it to happen. The Yes campaign arguably won the campaign among the lower classes (who definitely need it the most judging by Westminster's war on the poor) but completely failed to win over the largely comfortable middle classes which is an admittedly far more difficult task. They, in their own heads at least, have more at risk and subsequently more to lose. It's going to be difficult to convince them to take what's essentially a dive into the unknown. As it stands I can't see them changing their mind unless things get much shitter for them at Westminster which tbf is completely possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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