Broomhill Ultra Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Was there a thread about this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_UEFA_Nations_League Looks interesting, surely would quickly become the primary way to qualify for Euros and World Cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Pretty sure it's nothing to do with World Cups, and even for Euros it'll never be the primary way to qualify. As far as I'm aware, once it's in force the top two from each Euro qualifying group (current format) will go through automatically, with the remainder of spots being taken up by some combination of entrants from this tournament. There's a thread on Misc Other Fitba Chat that goes through it I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 That is correct. In the Euro qualifying (held over the course of 2019) the top 2 in each group will qualify. Remaining 4 spaces will be taken by the winners of playoffs in March 2020, on the basis of 1 place for each division of the UEFA Nations League (held in autumn 2018). It will therefore represent nothing more than a second chance at qualification for lucky losers - countries will have finished their UNL campaigns before the Euro qualifying even starts, and it would be quite difficult to predict with any certainty who'll be in the playoffs due to several different variables. I think it very unlikely that UNL will then be used for WC 2022 qualifying in any sort of way. Do they even intend to run UNL every 2yrs or is it just every 4yrs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 Look how far the champions league has developed from two leagues of 8 with all national champs to the behemoth it is now. Money talks and if the UEFA big boys see this as a chance for money spinning ties between others top nations and guaranteed finals appearances without having to go to Armenia and Kazakhstan then be a bit naive to think it won't grow airms and legs as they say round these parts. Plays into the UEFA v FIFA narrative as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 That is correct. In the Euro qualifying (held over the course of 2019) the top 2 in each group will qualify. Remaining 4 spaces will be taken by the winners of playoffs in March 2020, on the basis of 1 place for each division of the UEFA Nations League (held in autumn 2018). It will therefore represent nothing more than a second chance at qualification for lucky losers - countries will have finished their UNL campaigns before the Euro qualifying even starts, and it would be quite difficult to predict with any certainty who'll be in the playoffs due to several different variables. I think it very unlikely that UNL will then be used for WC 2022 qualifying in any sort of way. Do they even intend to run UNL every 2yrs or is it just every 4yrs? Pretty sure it's every 4 to cover for that summer where there's no tournaments. The Confederations Cup will fill the space on the other "off year". Look how far the champions league has developed from two leagues of 8 with all national champs to the behemoth it is now. Money talks and if the UEFA big boys see this as a chance for money spinning ties between others top nations and guaranteed finals appearances without having to go to Armenia and Kazakhstan then be a bit naive to think it won't grow airms and legs as they say round these parts. Plays into the UEFA v FIFA narrative as well. While you're not wrong that sometimes things change, they would never make a change like that. The big sides are already almost guaranteed a place without this. Then you get your fringe spots that everyone else fights for. There's no real reason for the current format to change, given they've already got pretty lucrative deals for the qualifiers themselves, and then presumably for the Nations League to replace pointless friendlies. Plus, you're saying "guaranteed finals appearances" for top nations. How would that work in the current Nations League format? Top nations would be playing other top nations. Do we just let all the nations in group 1 qualify without really needing to play any kinds of qualifiers? The system we have now is the system we should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 Plus, you're saying "guaranteed finals appearances" for top nations. How would that work in the current Nations League format? Top nations would be playing other top nations. Do we just let all the nations in group 1 qualify without really needing to play any kinds of qualifiers? The system we have now is the system we should have. Yes that would be my thoughts, that it could evolve into something like that. The 'motivation' for the best teams in the top divisions would become winning the overall competition. Not arguing that there's not too much wrong with the current system btw. Just seen other thread, apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I do not see the UEFA Nations League surpassing the European Championships in terms of prestige - I'm still interested to see if they treat it as a fully competitive tournament at all (e.g. will it be 3 subs or 6). They needed to do something to stop the Euro qualifiers becoming a cakewalk, now that there are 24 teams out of 54 making the finals, and replacing friendlies and having a 4-team finals tournament in the blank June very 4yrs makes sense too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 They needed to do something to stop the Euro qualifiers becoming a cakewalk, now that there are 24 teams out of 54 making the finals True. The Netherlands, Germany, Russia, Ukraine, Greece etc must be pretty fed up of all the easy qualifying they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 True. The Netherlands, Germany, Russia, Ukraine, Greece etc must be pretty fed up of all the easy qualifying they're doing. At the end of the campaign though, can you really see any of those sides not qualifying? Netherlands are making heavy weather of it, but there's still twelve points to play for, and they have to play both teams ahead of them again. Even if they still manage to f**k it up and finish 3rd, I'd put them as massive favourites to win any play-off they get. Germany are in a bit of a nightmare group, but even if somehow we manage to overtake them and Poland keep pace, you'd still have them as odds on to get through a play-off. Ukraine look pretty much assured of at least 3rd place, with the chance of more. Russia could still not qualify, but then they seem to be one of those artificially high seeded sides, and really aren't that good, Then there's Greece. We all know what's happened to Greece. The fact remains that it is going to be very easy to qualify. You can take about a pot and a half's worth of teams out of the draw and say that they are extremely unlikely to qualify. Say 12 of them. That leaves 42 teams fighting it out for 24 spots. You're more likely to qualify than you are to not. The one thing I would say about this campaign is that it's been more unpredictable than most. For 2018, I expect it'll be a lot more predictable with less spots to play for, but seems that the extra qualifying berths has given the lower ranked teams new purpose. One pot 5 team (Iceland) are leading their group, with another close to it (Northern Ireland). Wales and ourselves (both pot 4) stand a good chance of making it. Four pot 1 teams currently lie outside the automatic spots, as you've already said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Does that mean then that division d with the pot 6 teams like Gibraltar San Marino etc can qualify for euros same chance as Germany Spain etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Yes, each division is guaranteed 1 team at Euro 2020 via the UNL playoffs. I disagree with it, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Does that mean then that division d with the pot 6 teams like Gibraltar San Marino etc can qualify for euros same chance as Germany Spain etc Yes, each division is guaranteed 1 team at Euro 2020 via the UNL playoffs. I disagree with it, tbh. To play Devil's Advocate though, you can say that Gibraltar and San Marino always have the chance of qualifying, they're just getting a second one. No way they have the same chance as Germany and Spain, because 1) the big sides will have already qualified through the actual qualifiers and 2) Gibraltar and San Marino are extremely unlikely to beat any potential side they'd be put up against in the UNL playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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