Wilky1878 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Well, what match is likely to have the best football?.... The wet and windy Wednesday in Inverness or a warm sunny day at Ibrox?.. Tickets sales would likely increase also, meaning clubs could afford a better quality of player. Scottish clubs would also be more prepared for European qualifiers which could bring in yet more money. Training sessions would potentially be more productive which could enhance a players ability and the teams style of play. If there's a better argument in regards to how football can be improved in Scotland I've yet to hear it. Judging by this season the wet and windy Wednesday at inverness would defo be it... In all seriousness starting the league earlier with a winter break is the best option for me. Get rid of the right shite weather (hopefully) whilst not interrupting international tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Well, what match is likely to have the best football?.... The wet and windy Wednesday in Inverness or a warm sunny day at Ibrox?.. Tickets sales would likely increase also, meaning clubs could afford a better quality of player. Scottish clubs would also be more prepared for European qualifiers which could bring in yet more money. Training sessions would potentially be more productive which could enhance a players ability and the teams style of play. If there's a better argument in regards to how football can be improved in Scotland I've yet to hear it. Please explain why ticket sales are likely to increase. Also, while I accept that being in the middle of our season may potentially improve the performance of our clubs in European qualifiers, I don't see this as an adequate reason for switching as firstly our European performances are actually fine for a country of our size, although we have the occasional Motherwell style embarrassment, and secondly while it could benefit sides in the early stages, it's then a hindrance in later rounds as you have your close season when you're in the group stage. If you're wanting to improve the standard of our clubs' performances in Europe it doesn't make sense to handicap them for progression in later rounds: this was a significant factor in Russia, a country with far more challenging winter conditions than ours, choosing to move away from summer football. There is no reason why training should be any more productive in summer than in winter: it's evident that pitches can be maintained in winter as it is with either artificial surfaces or a good groundsman: if it was only possible to have good playing conditions when the weather's good we'd have to have a three month season in June, July and August, as we can quite easily get ridiculous amounts of rainfall in April or September in this country. Also, if we're wanting to improve the game overall I assume as part of that we would hope to see both an improvement in the national team and more of our international players choosing to stay in Scotland due to the improvement in standard: how do you reconcile that with the domestic league running at the same time as international tournaments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Well, what match is likely to have the best football?.... The wet and windy Wednesday in Inverness or a warm sunny day at Ibrox?.. Tickets sales would likely increase also, meaning clubs could afford a better quality of player. Scottish clubs would also be more prepared for European qualifiers which could bring in yet more money. Training sessions would potentially be more productive which could enhance a players ability and the teams style of play. If there's a better argument in regards to how football can be improved in Scotland I've yet to hear it. Where and when would preseason training take place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop John B Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 The winters recently have been quite dry and it has been really wet in February and March. I'd imagine very few games this season were played in monsoon or frozen tundra conditions. The summers also coincide with Gala days where travelling to games is made awkward, not to mention people would prefer to get binned than go to the football. Usually Queens early season games also clash with the Dumfries Agricultural Show which also usually are the worst attended games of the season. Imagine having to go to Ibrox away on the 12th of July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Naitch Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Summer football can f**k off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Thought there was no football in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I've attended two abandoned matches in my life. Both were in July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 The way football works these days, you only really get June off. Even then, that's just in years when major international tournaments aren't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonBairn Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Not for me If cockwomble and the others at Hampden kept Boxing Day and New Year's Day games, this would have a meaning to playing through the winter. These 2 days should be iconic on the fixture list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 If it means more people go to games and its more beneficial for clubs, great. Havent seen one shred of evidence supporting that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The winters recently have been quite dry and it has been really wet in February and March. I'd imagine very few games this season were played in monsoon or frozen tundra conditions. The summers also coincide with Gala days where travelling to games is made awkward, not to mention people would prefer to get binned than go to the football. Usually Queens early season games also clash with the Dumfries Agricultural Show which also usually are the worst attended games of the season. Imagine having to go to Ibrox away on the 12th of July. The bit about the Agricultural Show isn't necessarily true. Depending on the game it sometimes actually adds to the crowd as people who have been at it all day head to the football in late afternoon. Crowds have been down the same day recently but that's more likely because it's a cup date now and so many people don't bother with the early rounds of cups than specifically because it's the Show. All that said, everything else you say is true. There is very little merit in a pro-summer football argument and it's usually spouted by people who think it would be nice to go to football in warmer weather without having any idea about the practicalities of it. Unless we are going to drastically reduce the length of a season in terms of number of games (which isn't going to happen because we can't afford to) then the season last about 10.5 months anyway. The idea of "summer" football is a nonsense. What we're really debating is which 6 week period not to play club football in. If you choose to make that December / January / February (delete as appropriate) then you are finishing your season in November / December giving rise to the possibility of postponements screwing up the everyone finishes at the same time principle plus either playing the Scottish Cup early season or finishing it in December. You are also looking at pre-season in February / March which would be a nonsense weather wise. The European issue is already dealt with above. There may be some short term benefit to the chances of our clubs getting through qualifiers (that could be equally achieved by starting a couple of weeks earlier rather than any radical change) but it handicaps proper progress. In addition you would have clubs qualifying for Europe six months before the qualifiers started rather than a month or two. They may be very different clubs by then. Internationally the better players would gravitate away from our leagues as they would want to fit in with the international calendar and have summers off for tournaments. The idea that better weather would automatically lead to better standards is an utter nonsense. Better coaching from an early age, and possibly better facilities, will lead to better standards. The weather, in a country which isn't exactly Antarctica, no matter how wet it sometimes gets, is not a particular factor. The suggestion that summer football would lead to better crowds is most likely a fallacy. The experiment in Ireland, after a brief surge of interest, saw if anything crowds got worse rather than better. There are more distractions and people tend to holiday in the summer. There was a significant surge in popularity for the idea in 2010 & 2011 after bad winters led to a spate of postponements and fixture pile ups. We got finished in time though with only a couple of clubs having to play three games a week on a couple of occasions. Those were very unusual winters though and there hasn't been a lot heard about the suggestion in the 4 years since. Very few games have been postponed in the last couple of seasons and with continually improving facilities and so many clubs having 3G surfaces now it's only likely to reduce further. The fact is that the idea of "summer football" is a conceptual pipedream which will not and cannot happen in this country as long as we wish to maintain full time football at the top level. Countries with worse weather than ours cope with a "winter" season just fine. Summer football is the domain of the diddy nation which is entirely part time and whose best footballers will always aspire to move abroad to play full time. (That should, more or less, save Hibee Jibee from answering the horn eventually!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Not for me If cockwomble and the others at Hampden kept Boxing Day and New Year's Day games, this would have a meaning to playing through the winter. These 2 days should be iconic on the fixture list Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser Fyvie Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 People wanting summer football must be weird. I'm wanting my holidays in the summer, f**k having the football season on then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Favouring summer football is the stance of the simpleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aftershocker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I would be interested to know if there was the possibility of increased income from the likes of Sky or BT Sport, given particularly over the summer period (major tournaments apart) when there is no or very little football on do people cancel their subscriptions over these months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I would be interested to know if there was the possibility of increased income from the likes of Sky or BT Sport, given particularly over the summer period (major tournaments apart) when there is no or very little football on do people cancel their subscriptions over these months? Im sure they probably do. Can you imagine any of them keeping their subscription over the summer so they could watch Ross County v Motherwell and other such colossal battles though? Ive never switched on any of the sports channels and found them not broadcasting anything, so Id be interested to know exactly where these "holes" in the schedule are that summer football is supposed to fill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Theres plenty of cricket tennis and other sport in the summer plus youve got tournaments every other year. Now this point people make about there being too many other things to do in summer and that will affect crowds is bollocks. Does anyone realy spend 20 quid going to football in freezing weather just to "get out the house" sure maybe in 1980 when there was only 3 chanels and pubs shut in the afternoon but not now. The only people who go in the most miserable days in winter are the ones who would turn up regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Theres plenty of cricket tennis and other sport in the summer plus youve got tournaments every other year. Now this point people make about there being too many other things to do in summer and that will affect crowds is bollocks. Does anyone realy spend 20 quid going to football in freezing weather just to "get out the house" sure maybe in 1980 when there was only 3 chanels and pubs shut in the afternoon but not now. The only people who go in the most miserable days in winter are the ones who would turn up regardless No, but the point is that if the only people turning up in miserable days in December are those who would go regardless, there's no reason that you're going to get anyone outside of those people turning up in July either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Theres plenty of cricket tennis and other sport in the summer plus youve got tournaments every other year. Now this point people make about there being too many other things to do in summer and that will affect crowds is bollocks. Does anyone realy spend 20 quid going to football in freezing weather just to "get out the house" sure maybe in 1980 when there was only 3 chanels and pubs shut in the afternoon but not now. The only people who go in the most miserable days in winter are the ones who would turn up regardless You defeat yourself here. People have increased outdoor sporting options in the summer, which can compete with football. For me, it's very simple. Winter is shit. Without football, it would be more shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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