orlandoblue Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 So are we happy with the new devolved matters and what will happen with income tax and passenger duty? Up or down ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I won't be happy with the devolved matters until we get control of everything barring defence and foreign affairs and even that's a stepping stone to the inevitability that is independence. Hope that clears up my feelings. ETA: Comforting to know that the Scotland Bill featured further down the list than EVEL and HS2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Cameron pressing ahead with EVEL. Grounds for a further referendum IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Granny Danger Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Is that an official UK Government document? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Is that an official UK Government document? No, it's an official David Schneider document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 EVEL, more 'powers' devolved to wales and scotland. This Union is on its way out, I think we should just put it out of its misery but I can see this being a long, drawn out, bitter process over the next 5-10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Cameron pressing ahead with EVEL. Grounds for a further referendum IMO. Definitely, but I think a lot also depends on whether he tries to mess with the Barnett Formula and Scotland's taxation powers in a way that clearly disadvantages Scotland fiscally as a way to maximize the number of votes where EVEL applies. That would be an abuse in constitutional terms of the majority that he holds and would take things to a place No voters didn't expect to be going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Cameron pressing ahead with EVEL. That was pretty obvious with his speech the morning after the Indy referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Obviously right to buy will not apply in Scotland as it's being scrapped here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Katie McGarvey on Twiiter's none too happy with the expense here. Can't say I disagree... Katie McGarvey@KatieKhaleesi · 3 hrs3 hours ago Look at all the MONEY spent on this ridiculous ceremonial SHITE. #QueensSpeech Katie McGarvey@KatieKhaleesi · 3h 3 hours ago There are kids going hungry in this country and we're watching a priceless hat being carried around on a velvet pillow #QueensSpeech Katie McGarvey@KatieKhaleesi · 2h 2 hours ago Secret rooms, monarchy, gold hats, gold sticks, horses wearing gold hats.. British "democracy" is an absolute joke #QueensSpeech Katie McGarvey@KatieKhaleesi · 2h 2 hours ago This is basically just the house of hideous fabrics. The entire thing is made of solid gold and my Nana's curtains. #QueensSpeech Katie McGarvey@KatieKhaleesi · 2h 2 hours ago The lady in the priceless hat on a gold chair paid for by taxes of people earning below the living wage is talking about austerity.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Joanna Cherry QC MP retweeted The World at One @BBCWorldatOne 26m26 minutes ago .@joannaccherry: SNP will look at detail of tax lock in determining whether to support it - "we might be minded to vote in favour" #wato Expect Labour to use this as an example of "Tartan Tories". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 McGarvey, Republican Boot, what do you expect !!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Definitely, but I think a lot also depends on whether he tries to mess with the Barnett Formula and Scotland's taxation powers in a way that clearly disadvantages Scotland fiscally as a way to maximize the number of votes where EVEL applies. That would be an abuse in constitutional terms of the majority that he holds and would take things to a place No voters didn't expect to be going. There are elements of English spending that will impact on Scotland even if it's only tangently. It may have been an election pledge but the people in Scotland didn't vote for it. The only sensible and practical way to follow through on the concept is to establish a seperate English Parliament/Assembly. To create a situation where there are different categories of MPs is both impractical and a dangerous precedent. And before people start mouthing off about the cost of an English Parliament, heres some news - democracy costs money. We can give the English Westminster and have a new 'fit for purpose' UK Parliament building. It doesn't even need to be in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 McGarvey, Republican Boot, what do you expect !!? Nice to see you're a mysoginist as well as being a far right bigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 McGarvey, Republican Boot, what do you expect !!?^^^ Not enjoying the journey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 McGarvey is shit tbf. Not as bad as David Schneider mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 There are elements of English spending that will impact on Scotland even if it's only tangently. It may have been an election pledge but the people in Scotland didn't vote for it. The only sensible and practical way to follow through on the concept is to establish a seperate English Parliament/Assembly. To create a situation where there are different categories of MPs is both impractical and a dangerous precedent. And before people start mouthing off about the cost of an English Parliament, heres some news - democracy costs money. We can give the English Westminster and have a new 'fit for purpose' UK Parliament building. It doesn't even need to be in London. The problem is no Prime Minister would want to create a post as powerful the First Minister of England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 When did this become a comedy bit? Cameron throwing around the jokes in the Commons. Pretty dire actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 When did this become a comedy bit? Cameron throwing around the jokes in the Commons. Pretty dire actually. Always been this way at the start of a Queens Speech debate I think! Simon Burns and Harriet Harman both gave some amusing lines. Though respect for her was lost when she referred to the bloody seating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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