HibeeJibee Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Friday 5th of June Before international break officially starts. Will all clubs release their players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Easy Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Before international break officially starts. Will all clubs release their players? I am sure all our players playing in the Champions League final will miss the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 How fatal is it likely to be though? Assuming it's 9 groups composing 5 or 6 teams with seedings based on the World Ranking position we would currently be in amongst the 3rd Group of seeds: Ukraine, Russia (assuming UEFA include them on same basis as France are for Euro 2016), Poland, Iceland, Wales, Scotland, Serbia, Northern Ireland and Sweden. Below that the next few teams are Hungary, Slovenia and Turkey. Turkey probably have too much to do in terms of overtaking us but the other two possibly might. Upcoming fixtures for teams below us in the World Rankings are: Serbia: Portugal (A) Mar 29, Denmark (A) June 13 Northern Ireland: Scotland (A) Mar 25, Finland (H) Mar 29, Romania (H) Jun 13 Sweden: Moldova (A) Mar 27, Iran (H) Mar 31, Norway (A) Jun 8, Montenegro (H) Jun 14 Hungary: Greece (H) Mar 29, Finland (A) Jun 13 Slovenia: San Marino (H) Mar 27, Qatar (A) Mar 30, England (H) Jun 14 Turkey: Netherlands (A) Mar 28, Luxembourg (A) Mar 31, Kazakhstan (A) Jun 12 I know there are no ranking points to be gained against Gibraltar but I don't see a friendly in June against Qatar as being catastrophic in terms of us remaining alongside the third seeds unless we lose all these games and everyone below us wins theirs. Someone with more time on their hands will know how many ranking points ourselves and those alongside us stand to gain and lose between now and July when the draw is made. The second pot is well within our grasp if we beat Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland. Playing Qatar could mess that up, even if we beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Naitch Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Hibs to lift the European Cup in 2017. Got more chance of the European Cup than the Scottish Cup, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeNewcomer Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Will this be the first time a lower league ground has hosted an international? lol cunning wit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 lol cunning wit Turned out to be a bit of a horror show of a post anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Not really IMO, if we pick up a win it can only be a good thing. plus the coefficient points is always a well needed bonus Actually this game could HURT our coefficient. You get more points for beating a team higher up the rankings, and your ranking is an average number of points per game you've played, so even if you win a game it can hurt your ranking if you score less points than your current average. I'm seething about this game because it guarantees we're in pot 3 for the world cup now whereas before this was announced we'd have been in pot 2 had we won in Dublin. Wish we could have just played Qatar later on in the year tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Actually this game could HURT our coefficient. You get more points for beating a team higher up the rankings, and your ranking is an average number of points per game you've played, so even if you win a game it can hurt your ranking if you score less points than your current average. I'm seething about this game because it guarantees we're in pot 3 for the world cup now whereas before this was announced we'd have been in pot 2 had we won in Dublin. Wish we could have just played Qatar later on in the year tbh Was that not the reason The Netherlands ended up being a lower seed in the WC, as they played (and beat) Indonesia but that hurt their coefficient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Was that not the reason The Netherlands ended up being a lower seed in the WC, as they played (and beat) Indonesia but that hurt their coefficient? Yup, I believe it also was the reason why Wales were in the lowest pot for the world cup qualifying last time round (and, of course, ended up drawing us and beating us twice) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Actually this game could HURT our coefficient. You get more points for beating a team higher up the rankings, and your ranking is an average number of points per game you've played, so even if you win a game it can hurt your ranking if you score less points than your current average. I'm seething about this game because it guarantees we're in pot 3 for the world cup now whereas before this was announced we'd have been in pot 2 had we won in Dublin. Wish we could have just played Qatar later on in the year tbh If we are assuming SFA actually know about how the world rankings work (and I say that in all seriousness: as friendly decisions in times past have been decidedly suspect) - my guess would be they rate the improved relations with Qatar and/or a fee (if there is one) and/or the opportunity to play a preparation match ahead of the Eire match, above the opportunity to rise a pot in the WC qualifiers. Doubt we'll ever know, tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 If we are assuming SFA actually know about how the world rankings work (and I say that in all seriousness: as friendly decisions in times past have been decidedly suspect) - my guess would be they rate the improved relations with Qatar and/or a fee (if there is one) and/or the opportunity to play a preparation match ahead of the Eire match, above the opportunity to rise a pot in the WC qualifiers. Doubt we'll ever know, tbf. Exactly. I'd be amazed (and disappointed) if they're doing this friendly for football reasons. I imagine it's more down to the new relations between the two countries, one of the provisos presumably being a friendly. Not that that's much better, but it's at least a reason beyond the incompetence of the SFA. In the end, playing any friendly is going to be better than playing none at all, which was the tactic until recently. Holland is an example of it going wrong, but they're higher in the rankings, so any mistakes are magnified by better sides around them overtaking. This game won't help compared to one against a team higher up, but it shouldn't be the death knell some are making out. Or maybe it will. f**k all we can do about it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Looking forward to next year's Qatar Airways Scottish Cup already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 So will be see Qatari billionaires buying Scottish clubs on the back of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 So will be see Qatari billionaires buying Scottish clubs on the back of this? Rangers. Natch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 So will be see Qatari billionaires buying Scottish clubs on the back of this? Hibs and Partick Thistle to rule the European Scene for many years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I wonder if there's a way the SFA could present this match to avoid it being an officially FIFA sanctioned friendly. tbh they should just do away with friendlies being included in the rankings, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Can we not just make too many subs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Can we not just make too many subs? So you'd rather get zero points from it by actively sabotaging the game from a rankings perspective, rather than some points by having a chance of beating them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 So you'd rather get zero points from it by actively sabotaging the game from a rankings perspective, rather than some points by having a chance of beating them? ^^^ Doesn't understand how points work. Your coefficient is determined by total number of points / total number of games played. Your number of points from a given match is determined by, among other things, the ranking of the opposition. If you beat a team that's low enough down the rankings it can actually hurt your coefficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 ^^^ Doesn't understand how points work. Your coefficient is determined by total number of points / total number of games played. Your number of points from a given match is determined by, among other things, the ranking of the opposition. If you beat a team that's low enough down the rankings it can actually hurt your coefficient. Fair enough, my mistake, I wasn't aware that the average was taken at the end of each period to get the totals. Still, would actively sabotaging in this way mean the match was completely missed off, as though we'd never played it, or would it count as a 0 towards it? Suspect it's the former, but don't know. EDIT: On reading stuff around Netherlands fail last year, looks like it's just completely null and void, so might be beneficial. In that case, if the SFA do their calculations before the game (a stretch, I know) and there is no chance of keeping the rankings static, then yes, sabotage the shit out of the game. Given it's mentioned to be in June, then it's pretty likely. Looks like a possible maximum of around 230 points for a win based on where Qatar are now, which means they'd have to jump around fifty places before the score wouldn't hurt our average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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