Septentrional Wasp Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Why's that? UKIP, other than that just fringe parties. But I guess that must mean the status quo is correct, right, and those supporting it completely justified. Because mainstream, pandering politicians are so right and trustworthy with other issues. You seem to be tearing apart your own arguments here. Why do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 You seem to be tearing apart your own arguments here. Why do that? How so? Stating the fact that a lack of mainstream, pandering parties in the UK do not support a relaxation of gun laws is tearing apart my argument? Or are you talking about the obvious sarcasm? Also answer my question, why would you hate to live in America, or more specifically a state with liberal gun laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Because they're draconian, at the moment. And I personally would like to own a handgun and/or types of guns that aren't virtually banned at the moment without having to be a member of a shooting club or regularly go hunting. I have a spotless criminal record, I'm as mentally healthy as is possible to be AND I don't even kill spiders (catch them in a cup and release them). Wanting to own a firearm should be reason enough to own one if you have a spotless criminal record and are mentally stable. However I've been informed by some delightfully insightful members of this forum that my wanting to own a firearm makes me a psychopath and inevitable mass murderer. So probably for the best (because we all know you can ONLY commit mass murder with a gun). The very fact you were up till the back of one then again before seven to argue about it throws your point about sanity into question. Really though, guns aren't the issue, are they? It's the engagement you need. Which again raises mental health problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septentrional Wasp Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Again direct from Wiki: - According to the FBI, in 2012, there were 8,855 total firearm-related homicides in the US, with 6,371 of those attributed to handguns. - For 2011/12, police in England and Wales recorded 541 offences as homicide, of which 42 (8%) involved the use of firearms. That and, like yourself, I would actually like to stay right here. I like here. I feel safe here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Do yourself a favor and take yourself over to the "Americans and their gun culture" thread.Read the last 5 pages.I'd feel a lot more safe in heavily armed communities in the US with extremely low rates of crime (including gun crime). Especially if I had my own guns.But of course they don't exist in your world, do they.. The very fact you were up till the back of one then again before seven to argue about it throws your point about sanity into question. Really though, guns aren't the issue, are they? It's the engagement you need. Which again raises mental health problems. I think constantly projecting your own fear of losing control or commiting atrocities when armed with a firearm onto any who wish to own them is probably more suggestive of underlying issues with mental instability than not being a great sleeper or continuing to engage people who directly respond to me on an issue I'm passionate about. But what would I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septentrional Wasp Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 But of course they don't exist in your world, do they.. And what world do I live in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Sorry, just read the other thread and realised you're a troll. Very well, carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 A world of the state's creation, Wasp.Massacres in Australia since their gun ban (brought in around 1997):2000 - Childers Arson Attack - 15 killed, unknown injured (Arson)2009 - Churchill Arson Attack - 10 killed, unknown injured (Arson)2009 - Lin Family Massacre - 5 killed, unknown injured (Hammer)2011 - Quakers Hill Arson Attack - 11 killed, 20 injured (Arson)2014 - Hunt Family Massacre - 5 killed, 0 injured (Firearm)2014 - Cairns Child Massacre - 8 killed (all children), 1 injured (Knife)Hey, at least they didn't get shot to death, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Sorry, just read the other thread and realised you're a troll. Very well, carry on. Elaborate on that. How am I a troll exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Elaborate on that. How am I a troll exactly? I'll be very specific here, you are a boring c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septentrional Wasp Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Sooooo..... Because people choose to kill each other with different weapons in Australia, that makes it ok for relaxed gun laws in the USA. OK, you`ve convinced me. I`ll sort out the green cards you source some ammunition. I give up. I tried at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 I'll be very specific here, you are a boring c**t. Doesn't answer my question at all. I apologize though, we're not all gifted with the instinct to lamely attempt humor and wit in response to serious issues we lack the knowledge and intellectual ability to discuss in-depth. You ARE a funny, original guy, Zen Archer. And your retorts are always biting. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Sooooo..... Because people choose to kill each other with different weapons in Australia, that makes it ok for relaxed gun laws in the USA. OK, you`ve convinced me. I`ll sort out the green cards you source some ammunition. I give up. I tried at least. Well it clearly shows gun bans have done nothing to stop the rate and deadliness of massacres in a country already plagued by massacres as Australia is (as well as the US). Contrary to popular belief the UK was NOT plagued by massacres before our gun control laws. In fact two of them came AFTER gun control was brought in after Hungerford. Before Hungerford there really was nothing, the shooting of three police officers in the 60s and that was it. No massacres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 You really need to go out for a walk supras. Perhaps your local mental health association has a befriending project where you Can begin to pick up social skills until you are ready to try it yourself. For people well adjusted the internet can be a nice wee break in the day for a bit of light relief. This doesn't seem to be the case for you. All my love xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Anywayy, the other thread (Americans and their gun culture) is there.The arguments, information and stats posted within it are all there to be witnessed, you can skip ahead and just read the last 5 pages.Any neutral actually interested in having their eyes opened is welcome to head over there and check it out. Hey, we all received the same loaded, biased education about America and guns in school.We didn't all have the capacity to question it at the time.. it's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Bring back the good old days when you could buy guns and crossbows from a Littlewoods catalogue alongside all the household tat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Elaborate on that. How am I a troll exactly? Your argument is based on so many non-sequiturs that I refuse to believe anyone with a modicum of intelligence can actually believe what you're saying. Therefore I'm calling troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Your argument is based on so many non-sequiturs Give some examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstoun Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Anywayy, the other thread (Americans and their gun culture) is there. The arguments, information and stats posted within it are all there to be witnessed, you can skip ahead and just read the last 5 pages. Any neutral actually interested in having their eyes opened is welcome to head over there and check it out. Hey, we all received the same loaded, biased education about America and guns in school. We didn't all have the capacity to question it at the time.. it's okay. All the information and stats you posted were heavily biased, and in many cases completely false. But then if you cared about that rather than internet argument / trolling you would have checked yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 All the information and stats you posted were heavily biased, and in many cases completely false. But then if you cared about that rather than internet argument / trolling you would have checked yourself. How so? Again I'm going to request some examples of what you're talking about. In addition to that I'm quite sure the vast majority were not "false", but if you care to enlighten me on which were I'm all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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