glensmad Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Just a wee hypothetical one, but with the other thread discussing the idea of the East/West merger and some voicing their preference to revert back to District leagues instead of the current West Region Super Leagues, it got me thinking how would the teams currently be placed if that was to happen. I needed a starting point, and I couldn't really use the current league standings as a fair indicator due to the differences in the numbers of games played. So I used the end of last season and allowed the promoted teams to jump above the relegated teams from the league above in the rankings. Also, I can't quite remember how many teams were in each league in the old District set-ups, so I have gone with 12+12 for Ayrshire, and 14+14+11 for Central, just for argument's sake. How does your team's current ranking under this hypothetical system compare with their performance under the old District set-ups and also with your current expectations ? Ayrshire Division One Auchinleck Talbot Irvine Meadow Hurlford United Cumnock Juniors Glenafton Athletic Kilbirnie Ladeside Troon Beith Juniors Largs Thistle Maybole Juniors Irvine Victoria Ardeer Thistle Ayrshire Division Two Kilwinning Rangers Whitletts Victoria Lugar Boswell Thistle Ardrossan Winton Rovers Darvel Juniors Girvan Dalry Thistle Saltcoats Victoria Annbank United Kello Rovers Muirkirk Juniors Craigmark Burntonians Central Division One Clydebank Petershill Arthurlie Shotts Bon Accord Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Pollok Cumbernauld United Thorniewood United Rutherglen Glencairn Yoker Athletic Greenock Juniors Kilsyth Rangers Neilston Juniors Shettleston Central Division Two Ashfield Renfrew Lesmahagow Juniors Benburb Bellshill Athletic Carluke Rovers Dunipace Larkhall Thistle St Anthony's Maryhill Lanark United Blantyre Victoria Vale of Clyde Wishaw Juniors Central Division Three Cambuslang Rangers Johnstone Burgh Glasgow Perthshire Forth Wanderers Royal Albert Vale of Leven Rossvale Port Glasgow St Roch's East Kilbride Thistle Newmains United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Journeyman Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 wouldnt it be best having slightly smaller top leagues and larger bottom? The top teams have more chance of more cup games and larger bottom leagues gives them more games, Just a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 wouldnt it be best having slightly smaller top leagues and larger bottom? The top teams have more chance of more cup games and larger bottom leagues gives them more games, Just a suggestion. It was just an example, really, and I went with the 14 teams in the Central Division Two as the bottom-ranked team (Wishaw Juniors) had been promoted last season and I felt it unfair to bracket them in the bottom league again. Basically, the current Central Division Two is what makes up the Central Division Three above. But I take your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboats Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Just a wee hypothetical one, but with the other thread discussing the idea of the East/West merger and some voicing their preference to revert back to District leagues instead of the current West Region Super Leagues, it got me thinking how would the teams currently be placed if that was to happen. I needed a starting point, and I couldn't really use the current league standings as a fair indicator due to the differences in the numbers of games played. So I used the end of last season and allowed the promoted teams to jump above the relegated teams from the league above in the rankings. Also, I can't quite remember how many teams were in each league in the old District set-ups, so I have gone with 12+12 for Ayrshire, and 14+14+11 for Central, just for argument's sake. How does your team's current ranking under this hypothetical system compare with their performance under the old District set-ups and also with your current expectations ? Ayrshire Division One Auchinleck Talbot Irvine Meadow Hurlford United Cumnock Juniors Glenafton Athletic Kilbirnie Ladeside Troon Beith Juniors Largs Thistle Maybole Juniors Irvine Victoria Ardeer Thistle Ayrshire Division Two Kilwinning Rangers Whitletts Victoria Lugar Boswell Thistle Ardrossan Winton Rovers Darvel Juniors Girvan Dalry Thistle Saltcoats Victoria Annbank United Kello Rovers Muirkirk Juniors Craigmark Burntonians Central Division One Clydebank Petershill Arthurlie Shotts Bon Accord Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Pollok Cumbernauld United Thorniewood United Rutherglen Glencairn Yoker Athletic Greenock Juniors Kilsyth Rangers Neilston Juniors Shettleston Central Division Two Ashfield Renfrew Lesmahagow Juniors Benburb Bellshill Athletic Carluke Rovers Dunipace Larkhall Thistle St Anthony's Maryhill Lanark United Blantyre Victoria Vale of Clyde Wishaw Juniors Central Division Three Cambuslang Rangers Johnstone Burgh Glasgow Perthshire Forth Wanderers Royal Albert Vale of Leven Rossvale Port Glasgow St Roch's East Kilbride Thistle Newmains United this wouldn't bother me at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboats Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Just a wee hypothetical one, but with the other thread discussing the idea of the East/West merger and some voicing their preference to revert back to District leagues instead of the current West Region Super Leagues, it got me thinking how would the teams currently be placed if that was to happen. I needed a starting point, and I couldn't really use the current league standings as a fair indicator due to the differences in the numbers of games played. So I used the end of last season and allowed the promoted teams to jump above the relegated teams from the league above in the rankings. Also, I can't quite remember how many teams were in each league in the old District set-ups, so I have gone with 12+12 for Ayrshire, and 14+14+11 for Central, just for argument's sake. How does your team's current ranking under this hypothetical system compare with their performance under the old District set-ups and also with your current expectations ? Ayrshire Division One Auchinleck Talbot Irvine Meadow Hurlford United Cumnock Juniors Glenafton Athletic Kilbirnie Ladeside Troon Beith Juniors Largs Thistle Maybole Juniors Irvine Victoria Ardeer Thistle Ayrshire Division Two Kilwinning Rangers Whitletts Victoria Lugar Boswell Thistle Ardrossan Winton Rovers Darvel Juniors Girvan Dalry Thistle Saltcoats Victoria Annbank United Kello Rovers Muirkirk Juniors Craigmark Burntonians Central Division One Clydebank Petershill Arthurlie Shotts Bon Accord Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Pollok Cumbernauld United Thorniewood United Rutherglen Glencairn Yoker Athletic Greenock Juniors Kilsyth Rangers Neilston Juniors Shettleston Central Division Two Ashfield Renfrew Lesmahagow Juniors Benburb Bellshill Athletic Carluke Rovers Dunipace Larkhall Thistle St Anthony's Maryhill Lanark United Blantyre Victoria Vale of Clyde Wishaw Juniors Central Division Three Cambuslang Rangers Johnstone Burgh Glasgow Perthshire Forth Wanderers Royal Albert Vale of Leven Rossvale Port Glasgow St Roch's East Kilbride Thistle Newmains United this wouldn't bother me at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Fury 1 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Please make it happen. Only then, will we see gates increasing. It just seems that those people running our game are only interested in their own agenda, whatever that may be. The main attraction of the juniors is the local rivalry and ease of access. People are being lost to the game simply because they don't want to devote a full day to going to a game. Plus we are in a state of austerity and the associated costs are taking the game away from the fans. These fans are now finding other pastimes and are being driven away from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan of the juniors Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 The West Super league was started as the bigger central teams wanted to tap into the Ayrshire juniors which was flourishing at the time whilst the central league were struggling I believe the West league has now run its course and we should go back to the Ayrshire/Central leagues again & revamp the West of Scotland cup as that is just a sideshow now . If we go to this East/West nonsense even more fans will be lost to the juniors forever LADESIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 At least going back to this system would keep the gate money which Ayrshire teams bring, through decent travelling support, within Ayrshire. Central region were definitely the winners when things changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboats Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I think it was better atmosphere at games when there were more local Derbys too.apart from the 1st couple of seasons the super league has been on a steady decline for years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Also, I can't quite remember how many teams were in each league in the old District set-ups, so I have gone with 12+12 for Ayrshire, and 14+14+11 for Central, just for argument's sake. For the final year of the Ayrshire Region it was 7+8+8. For one season only they created this absurd top division of 7 clubs. For the previous quarter century it had been two divisions. Even the 30 odd years before that it was also two divisions - although split north and south. But for one convenient season just before the amalgamation it went to 3 divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 At least going back to this system would keep the gate money which Ayrshire teams bring, through decent travelling support, within Ayrshire. Central region were definitely the winners when things changed. I seem to remember at the time the Ayrshire Region having a healthier bank account than the Central Region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash city rocker Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 For the final year of the Ayrshire Region it was 7+8+8. For one season only they created this absurd top division of 7 clubs. For the previous quarter century it had been two divisions. Even the 30 odd years before that it was also two divisions - although split north and south. But for one convenient season just before the amalgamation it went to 3 divisions. McLuckies idea...what McLuckie wanted at that time he got. Was nothing to do with convenience, wasn't set up to help adjust to the new super leagues.Had the super leagues not happened Ayrshire would have continued with that set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash city rocker Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I seem to remember at the time the Ayrshire Region having a healthier bank account than the Central Region. Matt Spiers said Ayrshire were off their heads to amalgamate with Central.....and so did Kennie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRoyGuy Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Please make it happen. Only then, will we see gates increasing. It just seems that those people running our game are only interested in their own agenda, whatever that may be. The main attraction of the juniors is the local rivalry and ease of access. People are being lost to the game simply because they don't want to devote a full day to going to a game. Plus we are in a state of austerity and the associated costs are taking the game away from the fans. These fans are now finding other pastimes and are being driven away from the game. Wherever you are you getting having to dedicate a whole day to watch a game. If my team play in Irvine (one of the longer journeys) our bus leaves at 1230 and we get home before five, rangers if it's a 1.45 kick off. Would be madness to go back to the old regions,sponsors, players and a decent amount of fans want to play or have the chance to play the best teams region wide. I think a lot of Glasgow based players that play in ayrshire (and there is a massive amount of players who do) would stray back to playing for central based teams rather than travelling to play in deepest ayrshire every week. The currant league system is fine, it needs tweaked not sent back to the 1990s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Once the pyramid steamroller starts to focus on the Juniors, the decision will be taken out of your hands and you lads can look forward to being welcomed into the bountiful bosum of the SPFL. Midweek away to Elgin in February anyone? Only joking!! But stranger things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyboy Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 At least going back to this system would keep the gate money which Ayrshire teams bring, through decent travelling support, within Ayrshire. Central region were definitely the winners when things changed. True jimbo...and don't forget that it introduced many of us to the crisp,new (very new) Auchinleck £4 note and the still popular 60 pence piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash city rocker Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Wherever you are you getting having to dedicate a whole day to watch a game. If my team play in Irvine (one of the longer journeys) our bus leaves at 1230 and we get home before five, rangers if it's a 1.45 kick off. Would be madness to go back to the old regions,sponsors, players and a decent amount of fans want to play or have the chance to play the best teams region wide. I think a lot of Glasgow based players that play in ayrshire (and there is a massive amount of players who do) would stray back to playing for central based teams rather than travelling to play in deepest ayrshire every week. The currant league system is fine, it needs tweaked not sent back to the 1990s. No way would the Glasgow based players leave...the money and glory is in Ayrshire,always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Why would you want to go back the way? Expansion to 14 or 16 teams would be the sensible thing for top league and not going back to Ayrshire leagues. The Glasgow teams in Super Premier currently plus Pollok and Rob Roy all have brung decent supports down to Irvine. Probably better than your Largs / Maybole / Ardeer if went back to District Leagues. Its far easier to get to Pollok, Arthurlie, Petershill etc than Maybole/New Cumnock etc from Irvine / North Ayrshire so travel time argument does not hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Fury 1 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I seem to recall a subject on here about Talbot fans getting fed up travelling away to put money in everyone else's bank account when they never got the same in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stants1902 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Why would you want to go back the way? personally i'd do away with the district leagues and go all in West Region rather than return to two separate districts. It would freshen things up for the teams in the district leagues who by and large play the same teams year in year out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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