Poet of the Macabre Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Livingston are in the Challenge Cup final and if they should win that competition they will have won every Scottish tournament apart from the top flight and Scottish Cup. Are they the closest side to winning all seven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Pretty sure we've won every division except the top league, while just needed the League Cup to complete the trophies. Unless you're only counting the "modern" league set up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Pretty sure we've won every division except the top league, while just needed the League Cup to complete the trophies. Unless you're only counting the "modern" league set up? Yeah, obviously it's impossible to get them all for some teams because of league changes. Livi have won First, Second and Third divisions while they didn't exist for some teams to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 <cough> Rangers have won everything apart from Championship & Challenge Cup <cough> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Yeah, obviously it's impossible to get them all for some teams because of league changes. Livi have won First, Second and Third divisions while they didn't exist for some teams to win. I imagine they will be then, if its only 1998 onwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Dumbarton are best with 6... they lack only League Cup (if St Mungo Quaich = Challenge Cup). Only club that's won all 4 league divisions. They also won the SFL Charity Cup. Rangers ('continuity-disputes' aside) have 5... they lack tier 2 + the Challenge Cup. They also won the Drybrough Cup. Dundee have 5... they lack tier 3 & tier 4. East Fife have 5... they lack tier 3 + tier 1. They also won the Scottish Qualifying Cup. Motherwell only have 4 - however, they can take some credit from also supplementing that with the Scottish Qualifying Cup and the Summer Cup. In a similar vein Hibs only have 4 - however, we can take some credit from also supplementing that with the Summer Cup and the Drybrough Cup. So on paper Dumbarton are closest to achieving the set, however, if you count Rangers as having 'continuity' then you'd have to regard them as likliest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyM Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Motherwell only have 4 - however, they can take some credit from also supplementing that with the Scottish Qualifying Cup and the Summer Cup. In a similar vein Hibs only have 4 - however, we can take some credit from also supplementing that with the Summer Cup and the Drybrough Cup. St Mirren are similar. They also have 4 (the 3 cups plus tier 2), supplemented by the Summer Cup and the Victory Cup. Then there's the Anglo-Scottish and the Renfrewshire..................... I've seen them win all three cups (87, 05,13), plus the Anglo-Scottish (80) and too many Renfrewshires to remember, and watched them lift the "tier 2" trophy(s) on three separate occasions (77, 00, 06), and win away in Europe (Elfsborg). For a supporter of a moderate sized club, I reckon I've seen my fair share of success over the years................................and my fair share of failures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 Teams used to play loads of shitey cups eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hague Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Dumbarton are best with 6... they lack only League Cup (if St Mungo Quaich = Challenge Cup). Only club that's won all 4 league divisions. They also won the SFL Charity Cup. Rangers ('continuity-disputes' aside) have 5... they lack tier 2 + the Challenge Cup. They also won the Drybrough Cup. Dundee have 5... they lack tier 3 & tier 4. East Fife have 5... they lack tier 3 + tier 1. They also won the Scottish Qualifying Cup. Motherwell only have 4 - however, they can take some credit from also supplementing that with the Scottish Qualifying Cup and the Summer Cup. In a similar vein Hibs only have 4 - however, we can take some credit from also supplementing that with the Summer Cup and the Drybrough Cup. So on paper Dumbarton are closest to achieving the set, however, if you count Rangers as having 'continuity' then you'd have to regard them as likliest. the dumbarton side that won the league and cup was liquadated not the same club that plays now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Dumbarton are best with 6... they lack only League Cup (if St Mungo Quaich = Challenge Cup). Only club that's won all 4 league divisions. They also won the SFL Charity Cup. So on paper Dumbarton are closest to achieving the set, however, if you count Rangers as having 'continuity' then you'd have to regard them as likliest. THe St Mungo Quaich was a one-off completion for the Festival of Britain in 1951 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Nonetheless, entry-wise it's equivalent to the B Division Supplementary Cup/Spring Cup/Challenge Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kebab Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Nonetheless, entry-wise it's equivalent to the B Division Supplementary Cup/Spring Cup/Challenge Cup. How is a one-off event the equivalent to an annual competition??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 B Division Supplementary Cup ran each season 1945-46 to 1951-52, except for 1950-51, presumably as the St Mungo was the equivalent. So it wasn't completely a "one-off". Where do you draw the line. Technically the B&Q Centenary Cup was a "one-off", and was succeeded by the Challenge Cup. Back in the 1920s the Third Division only ran for 2yrs (plus an incomplete edition), and in the 1960s the Summer Cup which was hoped to become an established tournament only ran for 2yrs. When they started the Spring Cup, it was intended to be a permanent addition... it was then overtaken by events. If it's a competitive tournament, entered by first-teams, held under official auspices, it's good enough for me. But others will disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kebab Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 I wouldn't include the Challenge Cup either personally as it is a Competition not open to all League members!!! Probably should only be the various League Titles and the Scottish and League Cups, but if it knocks East Fife out of the Top Three, then ignore anything I just said!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I wouldn't include the Challenge Cup either personally as it is a Competition not open to all League members!!! Probably should only be the various League Titles and the Scottish and League Cups, but if it knocks East Fife out of the Top Three, then ignore anything I just said!!! Thats illogical. The Challenge Cup is as "open to all members" as any individual division is. Not all members can play in it in a particular season but they all have freedom to get in it by changing division. In fact everyone has played in it except Celtic, Aberdeen, Kilmarnock & Motherwell haven't they? There is a lot more than that not played in League Two / Division 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 B Division Supplementary Cup ran each season 1945-46 to 1951-52, except for 1950-51, presumably as the St Mungo was the equivalent. So it wasn't completely a "one-off". Where do you draw the line. Technically the B&Q Centenary Cup was a "one-off", and was succeeded by the Challenge Cup. Back in the 1920s the Third Division only ran for 2yrs (plus an incomplete edition), and in the 1960s the Summer Cup which was hoped to become an established tournament only ran for 2yrs. When they started the Spring Cup, it was intended to be a permanent addition... it was then overtaken by events. If it's a competitive tournament, entered by first-teams, held under official auspices, it's good enough for me. But others will disagree. Mmm highly spurious. There is a 40 year gap. I wouldnt count it as the same tournament and nor would I count the Third Division of the 1920's as the same as the one established in the 1990's.For me the redundant tournaments are irrelevant. Current trophies only and Dumbarton havent won the Challenge Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Mmm highly spurious. There is a 40 year gap. I wouldnt count it as the same tournament and nor would I count the Third Division of the 1920's as the same as the one established in the 1990's. For me the redundant tournaments are irrelevant. Current trophies only and Dumbarton havent won the Challenge Cup. I would agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Thats illogical. The Challenge Cup is as "open to all members" as any individual division is. Not all members can play in it in a particular season but they all have freedom to get in it by changing division. In fact everyone has played in it except Celtic, Aberdeen, Kilmarnock & Motherwell haven't they? There is a lot more than that not played in League Two / Division 3. Killie have played in it - the tournament started in 1990/91 and we didn't get promoted until 1992/93. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Killie have played in it - the tournament started in 1990/91 and we didn't get promoted until 1992/93. Thanks for the correction. I actually edited the original comment to add Killie as I looked at the teams after I'd posted and thought I'd missed them out! Just reinforces my point further. Only 3 SPFL clubs have not played in the Challenge Cup at some point. That's a lot more than have ever played in the Third division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 Yeah, you can't include nonsense trophies for half a century ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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