DAFC Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Is the real reason Darling and his colleagues so bothered because their cushy rose on a donkey voters are now turning away from them and their overpaid jobs in Westminster? Seriously if not can someone show me how how many elections Labour would have won without Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Is the real reason Darling and his colleagues so bothered because their cushy rose on a donkey voters are now turning away from them and their overpaid jobs in Westminster? Seriously if not can someone show me how how many elections Labour would have won without Scotland? Labour are fucked up here, and I shall dance on their grave on Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Goodnight sweet princes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Seriously if not can someone show me how how many elections Labour would have won without Scotland? Blair would have won all three of his elections without us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addie Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Blair would have won all three of his elections without us. Red Ed winnae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I genuinely haven't decided which way to vote yet but regardless of which way it goes the fact that the referendum appears to be the death of the New Labour "project" is utterly fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Labour are fucked up here, and I shall dance on their grave on Friday. When you see Scotland voting no on Friday it will be your own grave you will be digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 hope this helps The electoral boundaries have changed fairly recently though, that graphic is a true representation of the past picture but not necessarily the future. Labour probably don't "need" us to get elected but they need us a lot more than they used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 https://fullfact.org/scotland/permanent_conservative_majority_scottish_independence-35134 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 When you see Scotland voting no on Friday it will be your own grave you will be digging. Sssssh, there, there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Since this campaign has begun, I've came to loath Labour more than the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Since this campaign has begun, I've came to loath Labour more than the Tories. Me too after watching Dougie Alexander on STV just now. What a fud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Rider Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Me too after watching Dougie Alexander on STV just now. What a fud.Me too, I loathe the Labour Party now. A mendacious shower of self serving rats. There's isn't a single good guy amongst the wanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanSaysNo Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The electoral boundaries have changed fairly recently though, that graphic is a true representation of the past picture but not necessarily the future. Labour probably don't "need" us to get elected but they need us a lot more than they used to. This is one thing I don't understand about the anti-Tory rhetoric of some in the Yes campaign. They claim they hate the Tories and want to kick them out of Scotland. Surely, removing Scotland from the UK will make it much easier for the Tories to be elected to Westminster in future. It seems an odd attitude for someone who hates Tories to reward them with more power in future. There's also the suggestion that removing Tories from Scotland will result in a more just society. That may well be true, but the logical flipside of that is that it will result in a much more injust society souht of the border. So they're willing to create a more injust society for 60 million people just so they can have a more just society for the 5 million north of the border? Sounds pretty callous and selfish to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 This is one thing I don't understand about the anti-Tory rhetoric of some in the Yes campaign. They claim they hate the Tories and want to kick them out of Scotland. Surely, removing Scotland from the UK will make it much easier for the Tories to be elected to Westminster in future. It seems an odd attitude for someone who hates Tories to reward them with more power in future. There's also the suggestion that removing Tories from Scotland will result in a more just society. That may well be true, but the logical flipside of that is that it will result in a much more injust society souht of the border. So they're willing to create a more injust society for 60 million people just so they can have a more just society for the 5 million north of the border? Sounds pretty callous and selfish to me. Its called self-determination. The Scottish people will vote for who they want and the English will vote for who they want. If the English continue to choose to vote in the Tories then that is their right and nothing at all to do with the Scots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanSaysNo Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Its called self-determination. The Scottish people will vote for who they want and the English will vote for who they want. If the English continue to choose to vote in the Tories then that is their right and nothing at all to do with the Scots. That's a perfectly valid argument, of course. Except, of course, that a non-zero number of those people are friends and relatives of those of us living in Scotland. I am, personally, uncomfortable with the idea that the poorer end of those people might end up with the shitty end of the stick due to a decision taken up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Since this campaign has begun, I've came to loath Labour more than the Tories. 100% agree. At least the Tories stand up and say, fcuk that, we're not giving Scotland any more powers. Labour back benchers just stfu and go along perpetuating the lie. Labour should never win another election on either side, but specifically North of the border. I'd hope the Scottish Green party become a solid alternative to opposition in Scotland with or without Independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Labour stopped being labour with B'liar and his crew. They are no more the party of 'the working man' than the tories. Career gravy-trainers with directorships and loads of outside interests with no conception of real life in jobless towns across Scotland. Changed days from ex-union stewards who had the interests of their ex-colleagues and the local people at heart. Labour are so over no matter what happens tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 That's a perfectly valid argument, of course. Except, of course, that a non-zero number of those people are friends and relatives of those of us living in Scotland. I am, personally, uncomfortable with the idea that the poorer end of those people might end up with the shitty end of the stick due to a decision taken up here. Scots have only had a say in the outcome of a General Election twice since World War 2. It's English people who keep electing Tories, not Scots who stop them getting elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Scots have only had a say in the outcome of a General Election twice since World War 2. It's English people who keep electing Tories, not Scots who stop them getting elected. Nonsense. A Scottish person has had just as much say as an English person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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