Crùbag Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Project Fear as it was 35 years ago. This is a young A Darling telling the Labour conference of what lies instore if we voted Yes for Devo! Incredible stuff. What a loon. http://youtu.be/n1YNgv-Z5m4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 What an absolutely brilliant find. We do need more context though. To play Devil's Advocate you could claim that he was quoting what some had said if devolution was not granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Yeah, I don't like these things where people dig up 20 second clips of someone saying something outrageous. Until I see the whole speech I'm impartial on this one. Salmond did himself no favours by constantly quoting Darling saying he agrees with a currency union a while back. When you watch the actual clip he says he'd prefer it to the alternatives an independent Scotland has but really he doesn't like the sound of any of them and he thinks a currency union carries a lot of problems with it. Salmond and the Yes Scotland side have so much more to work with than the Better Together side in terms of presenting rational arguments, so to resort to quoting people out of context like a tabloid newspaper is pretty shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 In fairness, I reckon you're allowed to change your mind over 35 years, even if he is suggesting a doomsday scenario after devolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 Just passing it on. I'm sure it could be verified by other footage from Labour's '79 conference. The thing is, you just can't tell. Some more stuff on him: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1179283.stm Actually, it is correct according to the BBC. Go to the 2 minute mark: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 In fairness, I reckon you're allowed to change your mind over 35 years, even if he is suggesting a doomsday scenario after devolution. Except he hasn't changed his mind, has he? He is still peddling the fear and doubt message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Except he hasn't changed his mind, has he? He is still peddling the fear and doubt message. I'm pretty sure there's not been mentions of rape after independence so I'm going to go with a change of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 In fairness, I reckon you're allowed to change your mind over 35 years, even if he is suggesting a doomsday scenario after devolution. Though he hasn't. He used to be a Maoist (!!) and is now a...? Does he call himself a socialist? The fear he spreads about independence is marginally less ridiculous than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Yeah, I don't like these things where people dig up 20 second clips of someone saying something outrageous. Until I see the whole speech I'm impartial on this one. Agree but there is some relevency here. Darling, Lamont and co's main argument seem to be around the positivity and opportunity created by devolution: "Best of both worlds with a strong parliament at home", "a guarantee of more powers that the Scottish people want", even the laughable suggestion that a No vote ensures more powers than a Yes one (nah, me neither). These are people with a public record of actually opposing pretty much the only positive thing they have to offer. If we're to avoid a complete shafting post No, we'll need these people to stand up for Scotland and it's parliament. There is absolutely no reason to believe they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Though he hasn't. He used to be a Maoist (!!) and is now a...? Does he call himself a socialist? The fear he spreads about independence is marginally less ridiculous than this. So as a young firebrand trying to make his way in left wing party he comes out with dramatics, as a more mature man in a less left wing party his tone has changed, how weird is that ? As far as I can see he's not really 'spreading fear', now who's being dramatic ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I'm pretty sure there's not been mentions of rape after independence so I'm going to go with a change of mind. You are conflating two things here; what he says and what he believes. The only difference is that as he has got older he's learnt how much the public will swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 So as a young firebrand trying to make his way in left wing party he comes out with dramatics, as a more mature man in a less left wing party his tone has changed, how weird is that ? As far as I can see he's not really 'spreading fear', now who's being dramatic ! Are you seriously saying that BT is not spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt? It's been their modus operandi. Even the No camp itself has come out and said it's messages have been too focussed on the negative aspects of a Yes vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Carmichael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 You are conflating two things here; what he says and what he believes. The only difference is that as he has got older he's learnt how much the public will swallow. Now who's conflating ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I would be willing to wager that this speech is not about devolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliche Guevara Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Are you seriously saying that BT is not spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt? It's been their modus operandi. Even the No camp itself has come out and said it's messages have been too focussed on the negative aspects of a Yes vote. Modus operandi was exactly the expression I was going to use. Anyone who thinks this is anything but a further shameful expose, that these people will flagrantly peddle fear and lies, is either deluded or unwilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 I would be willing to wager that this speech is not about devolution. Sorry, but this has been verified and aired by the BBC. See above clip. Amazing and sad, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliche Guevara Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I would be willing to wager that this speech is not about devolution. Unless he's appearing in a film with Arnold Schwarzenegger then it's mental talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 It hasn't been verified. It was shown in a bbc clip which, I'll concede makes it look like he's talking about devolution. 'CS gas cannisters already issues to the army.' Before a referendum? Doesn't make sense. Sounds like a speech about miners strikes or something to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliche Guevara Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 It hasn't been verified. It was shown in a bbc clip which, I'll concede makes it look like he's talking about devolution. 'CS gas cannisters already issues to the army.' Before a referendum? Doesn't make sense. Sounds like a speech about miners strikes or something to me. Really? That's probably even worse - if ever that was possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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