marconi Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 may have missed it earlier on but how do replays effect calculations? for example does the fact that it took two goes reach next round lower your valuation or raise it for the team that held you to a draw in first game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 may have missed it earlier on but how do replays effect calculations? for example does the fact that it took two goes reach next round lower your valuation or raise it for the team that held you to a draw in first game? Good point, as the semi finals are two legs, and under the current scoring we'd be down as a defeat, although we got a draw away to Auchinleck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 From our point of view it does give a true picture. We bumped the wee rose out of the cup 3 years ago in round one. This year we defeated the bigger Rose, the 'bot & the Glens. All seems fair enough to me. Aye and you still haven't won it in over 30 years .... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Aye and you still haven't won it in over 30 years .... :lol: Oh, and ultimately it doesn't matter as we lost the final but who horsed you out of the 2012/13 season with a 4 - 1 spanking !?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleboy1969 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Great stuff and im sure a real plus for coaches ..squabling fans asside i think its as true a reflection off scottish junior cup football ever...if a so called good side go out early everyseason then they clearly are not a good side in the contex off the scottish junior cup ...EASY .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tell_me_more Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Well done with this hope you keep it going, the weighting is subjective and you are going to get lots of opinions, personally I would like to see every year remain in the stats obviously reducing in weighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulc Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 may have missed it earlier on but how do replays effect calculations? for example does the fact that it took two goes reach next round lower your valuation or raise it for the team that held you to a draw in first game? I started by including replays - giving the losing team half points (and full points to the winner) but then abandoned it. On reflection I perhaps should have kept the reward for drawing a first match and may well re-introduce it before "going live" in the new season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulc Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 Well done with this hope you keep it going, the weighting is subjective and you are going to get lots of opinions, personally I would like to see every year remain in the stats obviously reducing in weighting. Yes, whatever weighting is introduced tends to be subjective. If the earliest season (current season-4) is given a weight of 20 then logically if we retained it for a further season (current season-5) the weight would drop to 10 (out of a total of 210) - the contribution of that season becomes pretty insignificant and certainly going back a further season (current season-6) with perhaps a weight of 5 out 215 isnt really going to add much to the overall totals. But certainly extending the coverage from 5 to 6 seasons could be done easily and I may well build that in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btw lads Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Well done with this hope you keep it going, the weighting is subjective and you are going to get lots of opinions, personally I would like to see every year remain in the stats obviously reducing in weighting. if he went back say another 5 years, Talbot have won it another two times. pls don't go back 20 years, they have won it 9 times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo'ness Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Aye and you still haven't won it in over 30 years .... :lol: Oh, and ultimately it doesn't matter as we lost the final but who horsed you out of the 2012/13 season with a 4 - 1 spanking !?! And another thread goes downhill due to wee rose fans not being happy they are below Bo'ness in the rankings...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 And another thread goes downhill due to wee rose fans not being happy they are below Bo'ness in the rankings...... Surely the most important performance indicator is based on who actually wins it? Just you content yourself with the results of this exercise and I will content myself with reality and 3 Scottish Cup wins since 2002 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boheesian Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Aye and you still haven't won it in over 30 years .... :lol: Aye and 37 years to gain your 2nd after your first in 64/65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Hurlford got more points from beating Glenafton 3-0 in the final then they did for beating Irvine Meadow 4-3 in the semi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulc Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 Update to index. (File attached)I have now taken into account ties with replays. Teams losing a replay receive 50% of the value of a win. In the case of losing on penalties they receive 75% of the value of a win. Semi-final losers receive 50% of the value of a win if they win one of the matches and 25% if they draw one match (and lose the other). Where semi-finals go to penalty deciders the loser gets 75% of the value of a win.The overall index will cover 6 seasons rather than 5 with the coming season being the 6th to be included. Results in the oldest season (current season-5) will receive a weight of 10.I'm working on weighting to reflect the strength of opponents, which I will apply to future results. At the moment I'm considering using the current team rankings with a win against the top ranked club being worth 150% of its 'normal' value reducing down to a result against the bottom ranked club being worth 50% of its 'normal' value. juniors1.xls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipper Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Oh, and ultimately it doesn't matter as we lost the final but who horsed you out of the 2012/13 season with a 4 - 1 spanking !?! Unfortunately that was in the Quarter Final. We need to start drawing them in the first couple of rounds to get them oot the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipper Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Surely the most important performance indicator is based on who actually wins it? Just you content yourself with the results of this exercise and I will content myself with reality and 3 Scottish Cup wins since 2002 . With another 2 finals. Paul, could you no start again from 2002 ??? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Update to index. (File attached) Lithgae now in eighth place behind Camelon. BUs still second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig O'Lea Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I'm working on weighting to reflect the strength of opponents, which I will apply to future results. At the moment I'm considering using the current team rankings with a win against the top ranked club being worth 150% of its 'normal' value reducing down to a result against the bottom ranked club being worth 50% of its 'normal' value. Of course if you're looking for something to do Paul you could calculate season 5 (oldest), then redo season 4 based on the team rankings weighting of 5, then season 3 based on season's 4 rankings etc etc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gudderman Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 What a lot of pish. I always thought that having a chug was the done thing when you were bored. Not playing with Excel spreadsheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 What a lot of pish. I always thought that having a chug was the done thing when you were bored. Not playing with Excel spreadsheets. ....and the award for crudest post goes to..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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