ICTChris Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 A complete zoomer in my work today said that there would be a civil war in the event of a 'No' vote in the referendum. The guy who said it is a complete weirdo but it got me thinking - how would a post-indyref Scottish Civil War turn out? How would the nation split - Yes/No, Highlander/Lowlander, Protestant/Roman Catholic, left-wing/right-wing, nationalist/socialist? I'm looking forward to a Donetsk style declaration of independence from the Highland People's Republic, complete with Balaclava'd thugs toting machine guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freezer Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Sevco versus the rest I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Assuming yes get well into the forties, a post-no Scotland would be almost unbearable to live in imo. Assuming everyone who voted for independence would continue to support it, you would have yes voters still banging on about independence, no voters trying to further their own idea of a post-no UK, while many yes voters try to spoil it for them so they will eventually turn to independence(I've seen more than one yes voter say they would vote Tory after a no vote) and we would I believe have many years of bickering and no consensus. The SNP would be mortally wounded imo, many of their long time MPs and MSPs would walk away at the next elections and the party would be crippled with infighting over whether to try a second referendum, or focus on campaigning for consensus on further devolution, leading to them stagnating on their 6 safe seats in the 2015 general election, where Ed Miliband seizes power at Westminster. The 2016 Scottish elections would creep up on us, with Alex Salmond choosing to cling to power and fight the election rather than hand over the keys to the car to Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish public would start to abandon the SNP, however Labour would find themselves unable to put up a credible candidate for first minister and Salmond would cling to power, but with their majority gone and vote levels slashed. The election would see its lowest turnout since devolution with the Lib Dems enjoying a mini revival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 What we've got here is failure to communicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 Assuming yes get well into the forties, a post-no Scotland would be almost unbearable to live in imo. Let's arrange a meaty little Civil War and a lot of us won't have to live in it for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Assuming everyone who voted for independence would continue to support it, you would have yes voters still banging on about independence, no voters trying to further their own idea of a post-no UK, while many yes voters try to spoil it for them so they will eventually turn to independence(I've seen more than one yes voter say they would vote Tory after a no vote) and we would I believe have many years of bickering and no consensus. The hardcore independence support is around 30% IMO. After that most of the support has come over the last couple of years and isn't really strong. The SNP would be mortally wounded imo, many of their long time MPs and MSPs would walk away at the next elections and the party would be crippled with infighting over whether to try a second referendum, or focus on campaigning for consensus on further devolution, leading to them stagnating on their 6 safe seats in the 2015 general election, where Ed Miliband seizes power at Westminster. The 2016 Scottish elections would creep up on us, with Alex Salmond choosing to cling to power and fight the election rather than hand over the keys to the car to Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish public would start to abandon the SNP, however Labour would find themselves unable to put up a credible candidate for first minister and Salmond would cling to power, but with their majority gone and vote levels slashed. The election would see its lowest turnout since devolution with the Lib Dems enjoying a mini revival. I really think you underestimate the strength of the SNP. They are the biggest party in Scotland and you wouldn't get many MPs/MSPs wanting to run away from that towards something else. Current projections have them holding their majority in Scotland and taking half of Labour's Westminster seats. They'd need to totally implode and I just don't see it. The party know they aren't favourites to win this vote so they know what they will say if they lose. It'll be shouts for further power and they'll be working with the opposition to get that. Salmond is clever enough to know when his time is up and he's hurting the party so I can't see him being there against his colleagues wishes. I do think that Labour will have a serious overhaul next year regardless of the referendum result so hopefully they rebuild themselves as credible opposition. Have one party in power for so long isn't something to be proud of IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellisdee Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If there were any forced removals after independence,then it would be all the zoomers like him shipped off to Panama.So they can finish off the Scottish empire that they tried to start back in 1698 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If there were any forced removals after independence,then it would be all the zoomers like him shipped off to Panama.So they can finish off the Scottish empire that they tried to start back in 1698 Great, we wouldn't have to worry about our own currency then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I've occupied the rent office already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The hardcore independence support is around 30% IMO. After that most of the support has come over the last couple of years and isn't really strong. I really think you underestimate the strength of the SNP. They are the biggest party in Scotland and you wouldn't get many MPs/MSPs wanting to run away from that towards something else. Current projections have them holding their majority in Scotland and taking half of Labour's Westminster seats. They'd need to totally implode and I just don't see it. The party know they aren't favourites to win this vote so they know what they will say if they lose. It'll be shouts for further power and they'll be working with the opposition to get that. Salmond is clever enough to know when his time is up and he's hurting the party so I can't see him being there against his colleagues wishes. I do think that Labour will have a serious overhaul next year regardless of the referendum result so hopefully they rebuild themselves as credible opposition. Have one party in power for so long isn't something to be proud of IMO. What? The latest Westminster poll for Scotland shows the 3 largest parties holding all their seats, the Lib Dems losing 4 to the SNP, 3 to the Tories, and 1 to Labour. The latest better nation poll for Holyrood shows the SNP getting 63 seats and the others a combined 66. That includes 7 Greens though, so the SNP could easily run a minority with occasional help from P.Harvie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The SNP would be mortally wounded imo, many of their long time MPs and MSPs would walk away at the next elections and the party would be crippled with infighting over whether to try a second referendum, or focus on campaigning for consensus on further devolution, leading to them stagnating on their 6 safe seats in the 2015 general election, where Ed Miliband seizes power at Westminster. The 2016 Scottish elections would creep up on us, with Alex Salmond choosing to cling to power and fight the election rather than hand over the keys to the car to Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish public would start to abandon the SNP, however Labour would find themselves unable to put up a credible candidate for first minister and Salmond would cling to power, but with their majority gone and vote levels slashed. The election would see its lowest turnout since devolution with the Lib Dems enjoying a mini revival. In your dreams, perhaps. In reality, I struggle to see how the strongest party in Holyrood since the inception of the Scottish parliament would crumble. Regardless of the outcome of the referendum, they're lightyears ahead of the rest of Scottish politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellisdee Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Great, we wouldn't have to worry about our own currency then. I don't know,although the Panamanians are already doing something similar to what we would plan to do - if we decided to have our own money and use the UK pound.The Panamanians have their (Rocky) Balboa and still use the US dollar, so it might work.Infact we would probably be better off adapting to their model, rather than the more expensive one that the Scandi's have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I love the idea of civil war in Scotland and may well move back to Motherwell to participate - but only if we're allowed to batter plooky wee neds in Burberry baseball caps and ignorant tossers who don't pick up their dug's shite. None of this ethno-religious bollocks, please. Let's make Scotland's civil war the most civilised conflict in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I love the idea of civil war in Scotland and may well move back to Motherwell to participate - but only if we're allowed to batter plooky wee neds in Burberry baseball caps and ignorant tossers who don't pick up their dug's shite. None of this ethno-religious bollocks, please. Let's make Scotland's civil war the most civilised conflict in history. See this is the problem. It's getting fans to turn on each other, even when they support the same club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 See this is the problem. It's getting fans to turn on each other, even when they support the same club Cheeky wee bassa. When I join Scotland's civil war yer getting a doing. Have a Charles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I think there would be trouble if it is discovered that the YES vote win but Westminster/Secret service do a cover up and fix the result, far fetched but possible. Im really struggling to see how the out come could be anything but Independence, even though the opinion polls tell the story of the NO vote in the lead just now, I really don't think this is accurate as 90% of people I know are voting YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I think there would be trouble if it is discovered that the YES vote win but Westminster/Secret service do a cover up and fix the result, far fetched but possible. Im really struggling to see how the out come could be anything but Independence, even though the opinion polls tell the story of the NO vote in the lead just now, I really don't think this is accurate as 90% of people I know are voting YES. I highly doubt that. Have you tried looking on the Yes Scotland and Better Together facebook pages and checking how many of your friends have liked each page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I highly doubt that. Have you tried looking on the Yes Scotland and Better Together facebook pages and checking how many of your friends have liked each page? No I just ask them to their face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 No I just ask them to their face. To be fair YES has 147k likes compared to NO 117k last time I looked but doesn't mean that everyone will be voting that particular way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 No I just ask them to their face. Johnnydun, the yougov of Dundee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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