HTG Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I recall this idea being floated as a proposal by the SJFA in the aftermath of the Lowland League debacle. Anyone know whether the proposal has moved forward at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy1970 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Can't see the idea taking off. One reason a lot of Junior clubs have doubts over pyramid proposals is because the fans don't fancy travelling the length and breadth of the country every 2nd Saturday. Despite yesterday's result I don't mind the odd trip to the east but wouldn't want it on a regular basis. What makes the Scottish special is that it is the only national trophy and I think a combined Superleague might work to undermine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodold luthgy Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I would be in favour of this new set up, there would be no difference to travelling through to Ayrshire than travelling to Carnoustie or Forfar for example, I could see teams from Forfar or Carnoustie travelling to Ayrshire having different opinion tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotter Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 the moon would need to be made out of cheese ,,,for that to happen,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy1970 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 There wouldn't be much of an issue with teams from west lothian, it's not really much further to Bo'ness or Linlithgow than it is to Shotts or Kilsyth, but I wouldn't want trips to Tayport or facing sides from north of the Forth road bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wile E Coyote Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 This was never a proposal. It was TJ shouting his mouth off to the media without thinking. It has went no further forward because most of the clubs are not in favour of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Looking in from outside, not being a supporter of a Junior club, one issue with it has always been what a couple of posters have already identified - you'd have a 'Central Junior League' which suited the central belt sides very well, but excluded North Juniors and was difficult for clubs in Ayrshire and Tayside. That's the worst of both worlds... not a national league, but a single strong central one with weak fringes neglected or 'cut loose'. It'd also be rather odd for step 6 on the pyramid to cover more territory than step 5. (Unless Tayside transferred to North Juniors?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wile E Coyote Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Looking in from outside, not being a supporter of a Junior club, one issue with it has always been what a couple of posters have already identified - you'd have a 'Central Junior League' which suited the central belt sides very well, but excluded North Juniors and was difficult for clubs in Ayrshire and Tayside. That's the worst of both worlds... not a national league, but a single strong central one with weak fringes neglected or 'cut loose'. It'd also be rather odd for step 6 on the pyramid to cover more territory than step 5. (Unless Tayside transferred to North Juniors?). It wouldn't be step 6. It would run in parallel as the Juniors does currently. I also don't think an Ayrshire league would be weaker. See the current West Superleague table for proof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted November 24, 2013 Author Share Posted November 24, 2013 It wouldn't be step 6. It would run in parallel as the Juniors does currently. I also don't think an Ayrshire league would be weaker. See the current West Superleague table for proof The Juniors are not running in parallel. They are seen as a tier down and that will become more apparent the longer an entire grade of football sits outside the pyramid. I just wondered if the SJFA were serious about their own version of the lowland league or whether it was an ill judged soundbite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Combining the Central and Ayrshire leagues appears to have assisted in making the Juniors a better, more professional product, but at the expense of local rivalries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wile E Coyote Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 The Juniors are not running in parallel. They are seen as a tier down and that will become more apparent the longer an entire grade of football sits outside the pyramid. I just wondered if the SJFA were serious about their own version of the lowland league or whether it was an ill judged soundbite. You have just said the Juniors are outside the pyramid so how can we be a tier down ?. We are not part of the pyramid so we have no tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy1970 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Talbot have been lucky in that regard. Both of our main derby rivals play in the West Super league so it hasn't affected Talbot adversely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 The Juniors are not running in parallel. They are seen as a tier down and that will become more apparent the longer an entire grade of football sits outside the pyramid. I just wondered if the SJFA were serious about their own version of the lowland league or whether it was an ill judged soundbite. The latter as usual I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexBestGoalEver84 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 True when you see the officials lists usually posted on a tuesday. Most clubs that their supporters post here have better facilities and supports but are classed as poor relations. Maybe the SFA need to look at levels rather than keep saying apply for membership to junior clubs. See what the rose have been doing to comply with ground standards. Quite funny when clubs already members play in public parks, yet can still retain membership. The LL now takes precedence for things like appointing officials. The juniors is seen as a level below by those at the SFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipper Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Would hope the system stays as it is. The Junior Cup would be devalued a bit if we all played in same league. Part of the mystery is when top east clubs play similar from the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wile E Coyote Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 The LL now takes precedence for things like appointing officials. The juniors is seen as a level below by those at the SFA. You are correct of course but was this not also the case before with the EOS as that was also classed as senior. Genuine question as I didn't pay any attention to the EOS due to supporting a West team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy1970 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I think if there were serious plans for a unified Super league then the proposals would be out there by now. I know the SJFA can be a bit amateurish to say the least, but I think even they would draw the line at just springing a major change on everyone over night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 The merits of setting this up are up for debate but what isn't is the fact that TJ had no intention of sorting this out. He just blurted it out in response to the rumour that some Juniors might be tempted into the pyramid. But then I'm sure you knew that, HTG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 If this league was to go ahead that is the juniors definitively saying that they want no part of a pyramid system. If that happens then it will have to put an end to the air of superiority that some posters on here have over the Lowland League. Interestingly there are continued murmurings that some fife teams want a return to the local leagues. Personally i would like to see those junior sides with the money and ambition to go senior join the lowland/highland leagues and the rest of us continue with the current system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 An east/west conference type thing might work. Ie the top 4 from each region could meet over the course of the following season. It might cause some fixture issues though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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