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The kicking foot is always at least chest high, mostly head high.

The player performing it has absolutely no idea whose head may or may not be in the way.

The power generated from an overhead kick could easily break an opponent's jaw/nose/cheek/skull or render an opponent unconscious. I once saw a player on the receiving end of a bicycle kick suffer a cardiac arrestin an Italian league match.

I have never seen a player red carded for doing a bicycle kick. Given all the facts listed above and in light of Nani's red card tonight for a challenge nowhere near as dangerous as a bicycle kick, is it time to make the bicycle kick a straight red card?

If you thought Nani's red was deserved tonight then I'd like to see your views on this.
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Crouch at the weekend?


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Crouch at the weekend?


What did he get?
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Attached File  nani.jpg   111.04KB   70 downloads

 

http://www.fifa.com/...ct_en_47379.pdf

 

 

P.S. That's a few years old, but the up to date rules are almost identical. Right click and "find" bicycle for the right bit.

 

http://www.fifa.com/...game_2012_e.pdf


Edited by welshbairn, 05 March 2013 - 23:29.

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Nothing.  But he near knocked someone out.


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Nothing.  But he near knocked someone out.


Did he even get a yellow? How can that not be a red when Nani's was?
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Can someone post said Crouch incident?


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nani.jpg
 
http://www.fifa.com/...ct_en_47379.pdf
 
 
P.S. That's a few years old, but the up to date rules are almost identical. Right click and "find" bicycle for the right bit.
 
http://www.fifa.com/...game_2012_e.pdf


Interesting screen shot. All bicycle kicks "prevent an opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury" - no one's going to willingly stick their head in the way - so by definition all bicycle kicks should be automatically deemed dangerous play.
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The kicking foot is always at least chest high, mostly head high.

The player performing it has absolutely no idea whose head may or may not be in the way.
 

 

It's not about the height, it's about going in to a challenge with studs up and a straight leg.  By doing so you are purposely endangering the opponent and it's a straight red card.

 

You can accidentally kick some one, bash heads, etc, etc, but if you are using appropriate technique for actually shooting, tackling, heading that's fine.  That includes overhead kicks. Studs up and a straight leg is not appropriate technique for any of those and is dangerous.

 

It's really pretty simple.


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I've just watched Match of the Day, and I don't think anyone could have seriously disagreed if Crouch had been sent off. He showed total disregard for the safety of Taylor and basically knocked him out cold by kicking him in the face.

 

There is nothing wrong with an overhead kick per se, but if you attempt it when other players are challenging for the ball then it is dangerous play. On top of that, if you end up booting someone in the face, then I think the referee would be well within his rights to send you off for serious foul play.


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Interesting screen shot. All bicycle kicks "prevent an opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury" - no one's going to willingly stick their head in the way - so by definition all bicycle kicks should be automatically deemed dangerous play.

 

I think the law is making an exception to the rule for bicycle kicks, ie. it's only not allowed if it directly endangers another player, not merely if it would be dangerous for him to interfere. 


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Ask any English man they will tell you, overhead kicks are dangerous....

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The kicking foot is always at least chest high, mostly head high.

The player performing it has absolutely no idea whose head may or may not be in the way.

The power generated from an overhead kick could easily break an opponent's jaw/nose/cheek/skull or render an opponent unconscious. I once saw a player on the receiving end of a bicycle kick suffer a cardiac arrestin an Italian league match.

I have never seen a player red carded for doing a bicycle kick. Given all the facts listed above and in light of Nani's red card tonight for a challenge nowhere near as dangerous as a bicycle kick, is it time to make the bicycle kick a straight red card?

If you thought Nani's red was deserved tonight then I'd like to see your views on this.

If Nani had controlled the ball before the Madrid player reached him, should Nani still be sent off?


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If you do it in plenty of space it's fine, do it when you've no idea who is around you and it's a risk. I haven't seen the Crouch incident but I've seen him show a complete disregard for the people around him numerous times, he doesn't seem to realise how much longer his limbs are than everyone else.

 

Am I the only one who thought the Nani sending off wasn't a bad decision?


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If you get the ball its cool if you get the man its dangerous play simple.
Same if you chase a ball going out and dive studs first to get it and get the ball its fine , however if someone else was running in as well and you clipped them its dangeous play.

Edited by captain kirk, 09 March 2013 - 03:34.

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If you do it in plenty of space it's fine, do it when you've no idea who is around you and it's a risk. I haven't seen the Crouch incident but I've seen him show a complete disregard for the people around him numerous times, he doesn't seem to realise how much longer his limbs are than everyone else.
 
Am I the only one who thought the Nani sending off wasn't a bad decision?

You and Roy Keane, to be fair it is a foul red card f**k off, harsh booking IMO, but end of the day, Man United, NANI and everyone else involved in the game should have know that European Refs are brutal and send you off at the drop of a hat, btw Manu fan, In Europe Yellow/red card, Epl yellow/warning, SPL Warning/play on, Free kick and a booking pribs
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Given that FIFA are supposedly looking after player safety with their moves to abolish all contact between players it's ridiculous they make an exception for anything.

 

Apparently you can get sent off for not injuring someone in the middle of the pitch but get no sanction for booting someone in the puss in the box. It must make sense to some pen pusher in Switzerland.


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You and Roy Keane, to be fair it is a foul red card f**k off, harsh booking IMO, but end of the day, Man United, NANI and everyone else involved in the game should have know that European Refs are brutal and send you off at the drop of a hat, btw Manu fan, In Europe Yellow/red card, Epl yellow/warning, SPL Warning/play on, Free kick and a booking pribs



I take it you didn't see the West Ham v Everton game around Christmas time where Gibson and Cole were both sent-off for similar challenges. It's a complete myth that European referees are all card happy and give fouls for anything while Premiership referees allow a much more physical game. I've watched a lot less of Premiership football in the last couple of years because of referees like Lee Probert constantly stopping the game for f**k all and being completely incapable of spotting simulation. They could learn a lot from Spanish referees who allow the game to flow a lot better and aren't taken in as much by cheating. The referee in the recent Barca v Madrid game at the Nou Camp being a prime example.
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You and Roy Keane, to be fair it is a foul red card f**k off, harsh booking IMO, but end of the day, Man United, NANI and everyone else involved in the game should have know that European Refs are brutal and send you off at the drop of a hat, btw Manu fan, In Europe Yellow/red card, Epl yellow/warning, SPL Warning/play on, Free kick and a booking pribs

 

And Collina. It's a correct call, there's absolutely no doubt about it. 


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Probably several. But that's not really that important - a team is a team. England are a better team than Italy at present. I expect you to feel very disappointed in a couple of weeks.

To be fair supras seems like the irrelevant no more that spends his spare time eating bricks

Atletico are not potential winners of the Champions League in my opinion.They have as much chance as Milan. i.e. none.

 





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