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There seems to be general agreement on the various threads that the views of ordinary, non-Rangers supporters are not being heard. if you listen to the BBC you would think that there is a consensus that Rangers going tits up is the worst thing in football history.

I think that Traynor's talk-in is a pretty shit programme, but what if all the people who have contributed to the various threads were to call on Saturday to express their views? Would it be worthwhile?

Three points I would want to put across.
1. A newco Rangers should not be admitted back into the SPL.
2. There is no evidence, only opinion, that the SPL needs Rangers.
3. The HMRC should not give Rangers preferential treatment, it is a slap in the face to individuals and other businesses (including other football clubs) who pay their taxes.

I know some people will write this idea off as a waste of time but if enough of us 'phone up at least we can maybe get the message across.

Any volunteers?
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There seems to be general agreement on the various threads that the views of ordinary, non-Rangers supporters are not being heard. if you listen to the BBC you would think that there is a consensus that Rangers going tits up is the worst thing in football history.

I think that Traynor's talk-in is a pretty shit programme, but what if all the people who have contributed to the various threads were to call on Saturday to express their views? Would it be worthwhile?

Three points I would want to put across.
1. A newco Rangers should not be admitted back into the SPL.
2. There is no evidence, only opinion, that the SPL needs Rangers.
3. The HMRC should not give Rangers preferential treatment, it is a slap in the face to individuals and other businesses (including other football clubs) who pay their taxes.

I know some people will write this idea off as a waste of time but if enough of us 'phone up at least we can maybe get the message across.

Any volunteers?


He'll be reading this the now shitting himself the fat bald w****r.
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He'll be reading this the now shitting himself the fat bald w****r.


Well, if he is, and you phone in, don't give your name as "Saints Bevy Squad".
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Well, if he is, and you phone in, don't give your name as "Saints Bevy Squad".



I'll say it's "Jacksgranda" here :lol:
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Let's not.

Let's let Traynor make a gargantuan c**t of himself by making these claims and not be pulled in by his professional wummery while paying through the nose to do so.
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Let's not.

Let's let Traynor make a gargantuan c**t of himself by making these claims and not be pulled in by his professional wummery while paying through the nose to do so.


Yes, free phone calls really are a nightmare to pay for.
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dunfermline couldnt fully pay their players wages when they didnt receive our ticket money , is their any more proof needed that our finances are needed in this rotten league :blink:
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dunfermline couldnt fully pay their players wages when they didnt receive our ticket money , is their any more proof needed that our finances are needed in this rotten league :blink:


You seem to be confused - the entire issue is that you have no finance
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dunfermline couldnt fully pay their players wages when they didnt receive our ticket money , is their any more proof needed that our finances are needed in this rotten league :blink:



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You seem to be confused - the entire issue is that you have no finance


the fans who pay the tickets have finance obviously you fud , and one non payemnt by rangers to dunfermline regarding ticket money meant they coulnt pay their players wages for a month! aye sure ofcourse use dont need us :blink:
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If you can't understand what's written .. more fool you. You're a total fanny and a w****r and what you engage in isn't banter. You're an utter pillock. Is it clear yet?


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2. There is no evidence, only opinion, that the SPL needs Rangers.---- is there any evidence that the spl wouldnt need rangers or is it only an opinion ?:huh:
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If you can't understand what's written .. more fool you. You're a total fanny and a w****r and what you engage in isn't banter. You're an utter pillock. Is it clear yet?


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Yes, free phone calls really are a nightmare to pay for.

And there, in a nutshell, Is how much attention I pay to these roasters.
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Caley Jags don't need Rangers, with C*unty coming up next season we are just swapping two away ends filled with one lot of smelly inbred knuckledraggers with another lot of the same ilk in slightly darker blue tops. Now you wont mind me sitting back and laughing at your club's slow painful demise?
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the fans who pay the tickets have finance obviously you fud , and one non payemnt by rangers to dunfermline regarding ticket money meant they coulnt pay their players wages for a month! aye sure ofcourse use dont need us :blink:


It could theoretically have been Killie or Well or St Mirren or any number of SPL clubs that didn't pay Dunfermline their (not your) money and drove them to the brink.
You seem to completely fail to comprehend that clubs budget for what they know they will get in a season, and that includes the money they are due from OF gates should the OF be in the SPL. No rangers: no budgeting for their money. Continuation of rangers: now no faith in budgeting for their money. The latter was not the case when Dunfermline had to bare faced cheek to assume they would receive their money.
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the fans who pay the tickets have finance obviously you fud , and one non payemnt by rangers to dunfermline regarding ticket money meant they coulnt pay their players wages for a month! aye sure ofcourse use dont need us :blink:


Presumably in your own house you budget for a month based on expected wages/income. If you don't get what you are owed, you find yourself a bit short, and can't afford to go to the game or pay the sky bill, etc.

This is exactly what happened with Dunfermline - they budgeted for a month based on expected income, and found themselves a bit short when the income was less than expected. Their chairman confirmed it would not be the case in coming months and the staff would be repaid in full.

Several other clubs are also owed money by Rangers, but all of them met their liabilities for the month, so please explain how we "need" Rangers?
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Would we have to talk to Jim Traynor?

If so, I'm out.
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Probably several. But that's not really that important - a team is a team. England are a better team than Italy at present. I expect you to feel very disappointed in a couple of weeks.

To be fair supras seems like the irrelevant no more that spends his spare time eating bricks

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dunfermline couldnt fully pay their players wages when they didnt receive our ticket money , is their any more proof needed that our finances are needed in this rotten league :blink:



Whilst I wouldn't put it quite so eloquently, I'd be interested to know how big an impact losing Rangers would have on other teams' budgets in the SPL.

Dunfermline said they were due 83,000 in ticket money (I'd assume there were ~4000 fans at 20ish each - taking this as fairly standard for each SPL ground). You also have the income generated at pie stalls, from selling extra hospitality for the 'big' games, fairweather fans in the home end etc. That will add up to a considerable amount of money to be losing twice a season, for each team in the league. I'd estimate 125,000 maybe? Give or take 10k.

How would each team make up this shortfall? A lot of teams coming up from the 1st Division to replace us would bring a tenth of that number of fans at best, nor would they have the same appeal for corporate or hospitality. You then have the knock on effect on the TV deal, which would be re-evaluated almost instantly by Sky as best their contract allows. We are constantly being told that budgets are stretched already and we rarely see any managers being given funds from player sales to reinvest in their squads (Goodwillie for example).

I wouldn't say that the SPL 'needs' Rangers like the morons at the SFA/SPL kep insisting. The SPL would continue with or without us. The facts are though that without us, there is a large financial gap to plug and no obvious means to do so.
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2. There is no evidence, only opinion, that the SPL needs Rangers.---- is there any evidence that the spl wouldnt need rangers or is it only an opinion ?:huh:


We need your bunch as much as the EPL does. :lol:
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Whilst I wouldn't put it quite so eloquently, I'd be interested to know how big an impact losing Rangers would have on other teams' budgets in the SPL.

Dunfermline said they were due 83,000 in ticket money (I'd assume there were ~4000 fans at 20ish each - taking this as fairly standard for each SPL ground). You also have the income generated at pie stalls, from selling extra hospitality for the 'big' games, fairweather fans in the home end etc. That will add up to a considerable amount of money to be losing twice a season, for each team in the league. I'd estimate 125,000 maybe? Give or take 10k.

How would each team make up this shortfall? A lot of teams coming up from the 1st Division to replace us would bring a tenth of that number of fans at best, nor would they have the same appeal for corporate or hospitality. You then have the knock on effect on the TV deal, which would be re-evaluated almost instantly by Sky as best their contract allows. We are constantly being told that budgets are stretched already and we rarely see any managers being given funds from player sales to reinvest in their squads (Goodwillie for example).

I wouldn't say that the SPL 'needs' Rangers like the morons at the SFA/SPL kep insisting. The SPL would continue with or without us. The facts are though that without us, there is a large financial gap to plug and no obvious means to do so.


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Whilst I wouldn't put it quite so eloquently, I'd be interested to know how big an impact losing Rangers would have on other teams' budgets in the SPL.

Dunfermline said they were due 83,000 in ticket money (I'd assume there were ~4000 fans at 20ish each - taking this as fairly standard for each SPL ground). You also have the income generated at pie stalls, from selling extra hospitality for the 'big' games, fairweather fans in the home end etc. That will add up to a considerable amount of money to be losing twice a season, for each team in the league. I'd estimate 125,000 maybe? Give or take 10k.

How would each team make up this shortfall? A lot of teams coming up from the 1st Division to replace us would bring a tenth of that number of fans at best, nor would they have the same appeal for corporate or hospitality. You then have the knock on effect on the TV deal, which would be re-evaluated almost instantly by Sky as best their contract allows. We are constantly being told that budgets are stretched already and we rarely see any managers being given funds from player sales to reinvest in their squads (Goodwillie for example).

I wouldn't say that the SPL 'needs' Rangers like the morons at the SFA/SPL kep insisting. The SPL would continue with or without us. The facts are though that without us, there is a large financial gap to plug and no obvious means to do so.


Increased crowds doesn't just mean increased income. It also means an increase in stewarding and policing costs, especially when the OF come to town. There may be more income at pie stalls, but it would be logical to suggest that there would also be a larger supply of said goodness, along with programmes etc, again due to a larger target audience.

I don't disagree that there will be more income from a game against either side of the OF, but it's a bit simplistic to say x numer of extra fans at y per ticket = z much more income
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We need your bunch as much as the EPL does. :lol:


rangers or no rangers, hibs will always be shite and continue to be the second team in Edinburgh !
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I don't disagree that there will be more income from a game against either side of the OF, but it's a bit simplistic to say x numer of extra fans at y per ticket = z much more income


There's alsoo the home fans (particularly families) who don't go to OF home games because of the bile and filth from the blue and green bigot scumbags to factor in here.
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rangers or no rangers, hibs will always be shite and continue to be the second team in Edinburgh !


In this for reasoned debate I see. Just ignoring the posts about why we don't need rangers and choosing to lash out at other clubs in a petty and not particularly amusing manner?
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rangers or no rangers, hibs will always be shite and continue to be the second team in Edinburgh !


And Celtic will be the "only" team in Glasgow. :)
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Increased crowds doesn't just mean increased income. It also means an increase in stewarding and policing costs, especially when the OF come to town. There may be more income at pie stalls, but it would be logical to suggest that there would also be a larger supply of said goodness, along with programmes etc, again due to a larger target audience.

I don't disagree that there will be more income from a game against either side of the OF, but it's a bit simplistic to say x numer of extra fans at y per ticket = z much more income



obviosly stewarding cost will increase for a visit from us or the gangreen brigade but in other cases when their is a small band of away fans can the stewarding not also be seen as a waste of money. obvioulsy you need stewards howver there has been times where watching higlights at inverness for example where their looks to be about 100 - 150 away fans , yet about a team of about a dozen stewards :blink:

Edited by forever_blue, 08 March 2012 - 12:33.

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If you can't understand what's written .. more fool you. You're a total fanny and a w****r and what you engage in isn't banter. You're an utter pillock. Is it clear yet?


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And Celtic will be the "only" team in Glasgow. :)


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If you can't understand what's written .. more fool you. You're a total fanny and a w****r and what you engage in isn't banter. You're an utter pillock. Is it clear yet?


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So what's the plan: Captain_Sensible, Djchapsticks, Drs, Pozbaird and P45 phone in, calling themselves "Save The Bears" or something else guaranteed to get them through, they let rip, and we get to enjoy Traynor completely lose it even more than he did with Chic Young last year? Sounds good to me!
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rangers or no rangers, hibs will always be shite and continue to be the second team in Edinburgh !


Very possibly true.

The good thing is I'll be able to spend the next 50/60 years finding out. Most of a lifetime of ups and downs, Saturdays spent with good mates.
If I ever have kids, I can share it with them with plenty of happy (and sad) memories.

Unless someone steps up before this weekend, you'll have waved goodbye to that forever. All that tradition and hope for the future dead.
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Increased crowds doesn't just mean increased income. It also means an increase in stewarding and policing costs, especially when the OF come to town. There may be more income at pie stalls, but it would be logical to suggest that there would also be a larger supply of said goodness, along with programmes etc, again due to a larger target audience.

I don't disagree that there will be more income from a game against either side of the OF, but it's a bit simplistic to say x numer of extra fans at y per ticket = z much more income



Absolutely - I didn't mean for my post to suggest otherwise. Regardless of overheads though, it will still mean this theoretical 125k more income per game against Rangers. I don't know what percentage of this is profit - catering prices are fixed all season long so it will be the same GP% as any other game (maybe even slightly better due to buying pies etc in bigger bulk?), just with bigger numbers, and presumably there will only need to be X number of stewards per Y number of fans.

In any case, it is a large financial gap to fill for every team in the SPL.
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So what's the plan: Captain_Sensible, Djchapsticks, Drs, Pozbaird and P45 phone in, calling themselves "Save The Bears" or something else guaranteed to get them through, they let rip, and we get to enjoy Traynor completely lose it even more than he did with Chic Young last year? Sounds good to me!



This sounds magnificent. Captain will probably end up spouting pish about St Mirren though.
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