Hampden Diehard Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 From the site that keeps on giving: (RM) "A wee word for your uneducated kind(the mhanks), not that you will understand anyway .... that would require a brain which you are clearly lacking !!! First, the most basic universal human right is innocent till proven guilty" First, the most basic human right is the right to life. Secondly, you are guilty of not paying your taxes you dodging scumfucks. What some Rangers fans have failed to see is that HMRC are taking this action because their club took a conscious deceision not to pay the tax and NI since Whyte took over. The RFC accountant chappie openly admitted that they didn't pay up, on Whyte's instruction. That's the problem. It's nothing to do with the BIG tax case which might, indeed, go either way. By the way, if RFC will be defending the big case on the basis of the EBT payments being "loans" (arf, arf!) and thus not (possibly) being subject to NI and / or tax, have Duff and Duffer listed all the lucky recipients as debtors to the club. And, if so, have they being taking steps to get the loans repaid? If not, just where is Rangers' defence? Wonder if Campbell Ogilvie reckons he'll have to repay his bung? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 A good post in general but this part simply isn't true. Pretty sure the attendances were posted either way and the Pars were better off with us visiting. Poorly worded post on my part, should also take into account increase in attendance from Pars fans too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wokcomble Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I'll be supporting Rangers,if the club was deemed to be defunct and extinct then obviously there wouldn't be a club to support. In that scenario i would probably visit Firhill,my fathers club,any time i was home in Glasgow. You know what the shout would be then,WAPT. but your club is extinct, or will be by tomorrow. why the denial ? your club is DEAD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymores Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 The SFA should suspend Rangers for 1 season, and make them go on a sort of "Farewell season tour" of all SPL/SFL teams. This would give every team the chance to make a few quid, and more importantly, give the fans of all these teams, the opportunity to thank the Rangers supporters for being so magnanimous during this whole episode. Well that's your idea, but Orcs are not welcome at Bayview - it's SPL/SFA problem - just kill the feckers completely and lets be done with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy85 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Pretty sure the attendances were posted either way and the Pars were better off with us visiting. Poorly worded post on my part, should also take into account increase in attendance from Pars fans too. Yeah there's certainly more home fans at a Rovers game compared to a visit from either half of the Old Firm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Traynor's latest article is laughable stuff. I'm concerned for the big man, he sounds right on the edge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymores Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I'll be supporting Rangers,if the club was deemed to be defunct and extinct then obviously there wouldn't be a club to support. In that scenario i would probably visit Firhill,my fathers club,any time i was home in Glasgow. You know what the shout would be then,WAPT. Ranjurs unofficially died yesterday, tomorrow it gets made more official then the fun of Green trying to buy the pup for pennies. Did you get your ST renewal reminder in the post yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeHectorPar Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Caller on Call Kaye - Deep down, there's a bit of Rangers in everybody. Definitely not wrong there - rANGERs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beermonkey Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Traynor's latest article is laughable stuff. I'm concerned for the big man, he sounds right on the edge. Will somebody give the fat khunt a push then !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Well that's your idea, but Orcs are not welcome at Bayview - it's SPL/SFA problem - just kill the feckers completely and lets be done with it. Settle. Rangers are never going to be "killed" or "deleted". They literally are too big a club for that. There will always be a Rangers in one form or another. Plus the SPL might not need Rangers (it doesn't), but Scottish football as a whole would be poorer without Rangers (I am NOT saying it wouldn't survive), purely because of the number of fans they have. We can't have TOO many fans lost to the game altogether. If all of these people drift off and start watching the EPL (as neutrals, the EPL is obviously where all the better players are), then it will get even more media coverage. On one hand sporting integrity must be maintained (hence my opposition to Rangers in the SPL), and bringing them in at the very bottom of the SFL ladder allows sporting integrity to be maintained, without losing too many fans to the Scottish game, but on the other hand, we need to have a bit of perspective and get over this gleeful desire to see them obliterated from the game altogether. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankies Alive Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 not that affects me or my club (directly) I still agree......... #NOTONEWCO But yes to stealing somebody elses 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymores Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Sorry everyone I have found the mention of the rejected CVA in today's English Sun. It amounted to two sentences, less than the Page 3 Girl's News In Briefs! Scottish Sun it's front page with the coffin - back page it is essentially more threats to Scottish fitba if we kill Govan FC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 All these Rangers fans and media apologists claiming any newco would be a continuation of the oldco are full of it. The only business savvy party in this whole debate, the guy with enough business sense to look at the books and run, told us that he would save the history by putting the oldco in an incubator. Well there is no fvcking incubator Oldco Rangers are dead and their history halted when they died. Any newco is just not Rangers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owsley Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Caller on Call Kaye - Deep down, there's a bit of Rangers in everybody. Just logged on and had to check the reaction to this guy. I seriously nearly rear ended someone as I threw my head back laughing when he said this. Thankfully my breaks are tip top. What shone through once again from Call Kaye was the astonishing arrogance from some of their fans. From McMillan and another caller wanting to dictate Rangers punishment to another laughing at an Aberdeen fan for threatening to boycott his team, "who are Aberdeen, what have they won in 25 years". Maybe not a lot but they've paid the taxman and their players in the correct manner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 The Traynor article is boak-inducing. Another anti-football authority rant that reminds us all of the days when Jim Farry was pilloried on a monthly basis by the same cut 'n' paste Traynor pile of pish. Basically he says that the fitba authorities should wave some magic wand and sort all this out, giving Rangers their rightful place back at the top of the pile. It's almost as if he's ignoring the legal process that's speeding faster than a locomotive. That's what will do for Rangers. It's all out of the hands of the SFA / SPL / SFL; no wonder no one at the top wants to comment. This thing is moving at an incredible pace, so what exactly can any high heidyin possible say that will hold any water? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildog Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 CHEATS OR CHEATED? Beaks should give Gers fans break while probes and battles rumble on ANALYSIS By James Traynor Photo captions: ENDURING HISTORY The footballing feats of the likes of club legend John Greig, who was honoured with a statue outside Ibrox, will never be forgotten NO more than a good John Greig clearance away from Hampden one of the world's oldest clubs lies dying. And no one on Hampden's sixth floor even bats an eyelid. No one up there in the offices of the SFA and SPL said a word. Rangers FC as we know them are dead. It's all over. They are about to shut down for ever but not a single person among the game's hierarchy was open for comment. And that just about sums it up for Rangers, the club the rest of the Scottish game came to detest. We are still waiting for the verdicts on EBT schemes and dual contracts but the fans of every other club have passed judgment. Rangers are guilty. Of course they are. They're cheats and liars. Everybody knows that. They can't help themselves, it's in their DNA. And of course they must be stripped of their titles, trophies and dignity. Oh, and don't forget those five stars above their badge, Get them torn off as well. It's all madness rooted in jealousies and twisted logic. Rangers have a seriously bad lot but the majority of the people who support the club are decent. Yet everywhere so many people are waiting to dance on this club's grave. Well, they should get their pumps and tap shoes tied up because it won't be long now. Yesterday the CVA proposal put forward on behalf of Charles Green by administrators Duff and Phelps was rejected by HMRC. They didn't even wait until tomorrow's creditors' meeting, although that will still go ahead. But Rangers FC won't. They'll slip into liquidation within the next couple of weeks with a new company emerging but 140 years of history, triumph and tears, will have ended. No matter how Charles Green attempts to dress it up, a newco equals a new club. When the CVA was thrown out Rangers as we know them died. They were closed and a newco must start from scratch although their fans will insist the history will be boxed up with the strips and balls and carried into the future with the new club. Technically that history belongs to something else, some other company but even though the governing bodies appear consumed by technicalities and protocol supporters have other priorities. They strive for continuity and Rangers fans will never be separated from or denied their past. The name might change slightly, there will be a new owner, new players and a new beginning. But somehow nothing will have changed for many of the people who buy the tickets. HATRED They'll never forget and they'll remember yesterday, too. Even though they and everyone else knew the decision to accept or reject Green's CVA was 50-50 this was such a momentous day in the history of Scottish football. Yet, unbelievably neither the SPL nor the SFA had anything to say as Rangers' death warrant was signed. Maybe they were bored, or maybe even stupefied by the twists and turns, outlandish demands and hopes, claims and counter claims which started in May last year and then began clattering down relentlessly since February. With the noise and the clamour it has been difficult to make sense of it, to keep track and to understand the hatred and lack of compassion. It is almost scary that so many fans cannot see how damaging Rangers' demise is to the game in general. Whether you like them or not they are important. Along with Celtic they are the engine that drives our game. But the dislike hasn't been confined to the cheap seats. Other directors and chairmen have also relished watching Rangers fail and then fall. Yet they should have known better and despite the voices of reason saying be careful what you wish for those clubs who have sounded off about sporting integrity will now have to be true to their own word. If they have been listening to their fans, as a number of them claim, then they won't allow a newco into the SPL. But let's just see if, when the time comes to vote, enough of them keep their hands down when asked if they want a reformed Rangers back in. And they'll have to do this quickly because fans will need to know which teams will be in which divisions before buying season tickets. The SPL and SFL will produce their fixtures on Monday and although Rangers will be found in the top-flight schedule it remains to be seen if they'll actually be playing there. But can the SPL do without Rangers and their supporters? They may have been suggesting they can but it will not prosper without Rangers and this is what all the chairmen, despite their bravado, will have to consider. It was easy, and also foolish, to be bold when Duff and Phelps suggested HMRC had hinted they might accept the CVA but now the moment of truth has arrived for these clubs. And what will force the issue? Pressure from fans or pressure from banks? Of course, they could let them back in while insisting the new club has to accept penalties for the behaviour of the old, especially if the SPL enquiry finds Rangers guilty of issuing players dual contracts with their EBTs. Also, the SFA have still to work out what sanction to impose on the current Rangers who succeeded in getting a 12-month signing ban overturned in the Court of Session. The SFA will demand the new sanction be inherited by the newco but it seems to me more than a few on one side of this saga are in danger of becoming a little vindictive. GUILTY Of course Rangers are guilty of shaming the game and they accept they have to be punished. But how many more times must they be kicked? Despite the baying mob and their crazy notion that Rangers should be shunned because they are cheats the fact is this club and these fans have themselves been cheated. If there is anything in their DNA make up that's irrational or wrong it is their love of their club and this game. Get over the mock outrage and come down from the moral high ground. Few fans of any club have any right to be up there in any case but now, as Scottish football arrives at a crossroads let's try to think straight. How about cutting Rangers some slack and doing the game a turn at the same time? Jesus wept.. He might have well asked everyone to cut Rangers some slack, for his own sake. Get used to it Jimbo, nothing to write about, no job. Unlucky. GIRFUY!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streethawk79 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Well that's your idea, but Orcs are not welcome at Bayview - Whats your chairman's view on that suggestion? If Rangers2012 FC end up playing the cowsheds of Alloa and Cowdenbeath and wherever East Fife play ( Methil ,Leven??) for the next few years then your clubs' book keepers will just have to welcome the Orcs who will fill up your stadium and sing the usual songs from the banned list. In fact I would bet my left ball that many of those Orcs will be Fifers -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Settle. Rangers are never going to be "killed" or "deleted". They literally are too big a club for that. There will always be a Rangers in one form or another. Plus the SPL might not need Rangers (it doesn't), but Scottish football as a whole would be poorer without Rangers (I am NOT saying it wouldn't survive), purely because of the number of fans they have. We can't have TOO many fans lost to the game altogether. If all of these people drift off and start watching the EPL (as neutrals, the EPL is obviously where all the better players are), then it will get even more media coverage. On one hand sporting integrity must be maintained (hence my opposition to Rangers in the SPL), and bringing them in at the very bottom of the SFL ladder allows sporting integrity to be maintained, without losing too many fans to the Scottish game, but on the other hand, we need to have a bit of perspective and get over this gleeful desire to see them obliterated from the game altogether. What a load of shite The Rangers are dead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Green's backer could be dead before Rangers: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/indonesia/7175319/British-banker-could-face-death-over-fraud-charges.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I've 40 odd pages to catch up with! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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