[Ronaldobhoy]

bennett, on 10 February 2012 - 19:42, said:

If Leggat jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?




Stick to the fitba ....

If Leggat jumped off a cliff, I'd be there with jelly and ice cream. Kind of kicked your own arse there. Not the best thread to suggest sticking to the fitba but maybe good advice for Rangers given th thread

[bennett]

Ronaldobhoy, on 10 February 2012 - 19:51, said:

If Leggat jumped off a cliff, I'd be there with jelly and ice cream. Kind of kicked your own arse there. Not the best thread to suggest sticking to the fitba but maybe good advice for Rangers given th thread

Whats the thread about again?

[Ronaldobhoy]

bennett, on 10 February 2012 - 19:55, said:

Whats the thread about again?

I have no idea

[Stu]

The Taxman, on 10 February 2012 - 18:55, said:

Does the guy that runs the roofing company have a catholic sounding name?

Is the guy running that company not Paul Martin, the Albion Rovers manager? And Albion Rovers play in Coatbridge, a well known Celtic stronghold...

[barrysnotter]

Got it in one Stu, Leggo will have a field day.

[Joethistle]

One of the reporters covering the case, John Paul O'Hara, is a neutral reporter. I know this for sure as he is the nephew of our local priest Fr.O'Hanlon

[credo]

jupe1407, on 10 February 2012 - 18:28, said:

We can now add the legal system, and various construction companies to the ever growing list of people with an "agenda" against Rangers.

It's a wee shame really.

Another Whyte case on front of Record today, Sherrif ruling against him around 80k + interest.

IF? As alleged Craig Whyte was a man quick to obtain goods, slow if ever to pay.

IF? As was a known fact, he had been disqualified from being a director for seven years.

IF? As was said by a sir David Murray company spokesman today; " WE can confirm, at the time of the takeover, there was NO DEBT owed by the club to ticketus" further adding "It's hard to sort out the fact from the fiction"

IF? as alleged by The Record Whyte did raise £20+ to finance Rangers by mortgaging future season ticket sales, WHERE IS IT ?

But the BIG IF is, IF Rangers knew half these allegations then, WHY was he allowed to cross the door and walk up the marble staircase at Ibrox?

This post has been edited by credo: 11 February 2012 - 11:22

[Tim Malloy]

credo, on 11 February 2012 - 11:20, said:

Another Whyte case on front of Record today, Sherrif ruling against him around 80k + interest.

IF? As alleged Craig Whyte was a man quick to obtain goods, slow if ever to pay.

IF? As was a known fact, he had been disqualified from being a director for seven years.

IF? As was said by a sir David Murray company spokesman today; " WE can confirm, at the time of the takeover, there was NO DEBT owed by the club to ticketus" further adding "It's hard to sort out the fact from the fiction"

IF? as alleged by The Record Whyte did raise £20+ to finance Rangers by mortgaging future season ticket sales, WHERE IS IT ?

But the BIG IF is, IF Rangers knew half these allegations then, WHY was he allowed to cross the door and walk up the marble staircase at Ibrox?

Because his brown brogues were impeccably polished.

[Joethistle]

credo, on 11 February 2012 - 11:20, said:

Another Whyte case on front of Record today, Sherrif ruling against him around 80k + interest.

IF? As alleged Craig Whyte was a man quick to obtain goods, slow if ever to pay.

IF? As was a known fact, he had been disqualified from being a director for seven years.

IF? As was said by a sir David Murray company spokesman today; " WE can confirm, at the time of the takeover, there was NO DEBT owed by the club to ticketus" further adding "It's hard to sort out the fact from the fiction"

IF? as alleged by The Record Whyte did raise £20+ to finance Rangers by mortgaging future season ticket sales, WHERE IS IT ?

But the BIG IF is, IF Rangers knew half these allegations then, WHY was he allowed to cross the door and walk up the marble staircase at Ibrox?

Who cares... glad now he did. Have you ever had so much entertainment with the promise of a lot more to come in the coming weeks. Brilliant! Keep it coming Rangers.

[Enrico Annoni]

I see Vanguard Bears managed to get an interview with Craig Whyte, It just amazes me that they swallow everything he says, Not even questioning him! almost 2 hours they spend with the guy and not 1 real question, No wonder Craig Whyte loves this mob

I highlighted my favourite parts, And that's got nothing to do with the "IRA supporting chief"

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Vanguard Bears had another productive meeting with Rangers Chairman Craig Whyte on Monday evening. First of all we have to convey our thanks to Mr Whyte for his attendance given the events of last night with the BBC yet again displaying where their loyalties lie.

The purpose of this meeting was not necessarily to interrogate Mr Whyte on all aspects of the club as this had already been done in a detailed interview with Tom English of the Scotsman Newspaper. Rather the purpose of our meeting was twofold. As a follow up to our initial meeting and maintain contact with the Chairman and the Club. Secondly to see what has changed, if anything, from our first meeting and to ascertain how we can support the Chairman and the Club at this difficult time.

As many will understand with such meetings there are issues we cannot and will not disclose in to the public domain out of respect to the Chairman and the future well-being of Rangers FC.

In no particular order the following subjects were discussed and some of the more relevant answers are outlined below.

Daily Record and Media in general - The consensus appeared to be that more needs done in being pro-active in countering the muck raking and downright lies being spread about Rangers and the owner.

BBC - Litigation will now proceed after last night's hatchet job. Mr Whyte admitted he had let it run because other more important matters needed his immediate attention.

Ticketus Deal - Wholly underwritten by one of his companies with no risk to ST holders should we go in to administration. Deal was for a percentage of the tickets over 3 years not 4. Figure mentioned was closer to £20m and not the £24.4m being quoted. Deal was arranged to provide working capital only.

Whilst on this subject we had to ask about administration; its possibility and effect. Mr Whyte reiterated his view that it is a last resort and not Plan A or Plan B. However given the uncertainty surrounding the HMRC verdict it is simply not possible to say for certain what strategy will be adopted until the decision is known. We then asked what happens if the worst case scenario arrives and we do go in to administration. Mr Whyte's response was that it wouldn't be pleasant and cuts would have to be made but the club would come out of it in a far healthier state. A 10 point deduction is the current penalty for a club going in to administration and not every season as certain rumour mongers were happy to shout out at every opportunity. The phrase "Business as Usual" was used.

It also has to be noted that in recent years Motherwell were in administration and emerged from it with their name and history intact. The same goes for Dundee FC.

Cash Flow Rumours - We put it to Mr Whyte about the rumours of cash flow issues and bills not being paid which he categorically denied. He did admit that all bills are scrutinised and payment terms have been changed or extended but the negative publicity has forced some of the larger suppliers to demand payment quicker or on receipt of goods. He maintains though that smaller suppliers are being paid and the relationships with them are still healthy.

Small Tax Bill - This is being challenged as the clubs legal advice is that because this is over 6 years old HMRC are not within their rights to pursue it. So the stories about Rangers not paying it or can't pay it are wrong and merely mischief making.

Players Wages - There is no wage cap in place as such but finances dictate we cannot pay what we used to offer or entertain ludicrous wage demands that led us in to the financial problems we currently face. However the fact remains we are still competitive and will still be able to compete for good young Scottish talent.

Andrew Ellis – Mr Whyte said he will be primarily London based and working on areas like pre-season deals and various other marketing and sponsorship ideas. Mr Whyte had a meeting with a representative from Manchester United in London which prompted him to copy their business plan and open offices in London to augment this business plan.

Influential Supporters - The question was asked about our more affluent or well-known supporters and what they can do to help the club now and in the long term. This is an area he hopes will be expanded on once the current climate of uncertainty has been dealt with.

Ideas from fans about new revenue streams - The current Rangers Facebook page has over 250,000 "likes". Coupled with the fact we took over 200,000 fans to Manchester with a further 35,000 inside Ibrox that evening proves overwhelmingly the size and potential of our support. VB Admin's idea of a savings scheme was mentioned and the club are very open to the idea. However as Jim Hannah pointed out the fans must see where the money is going and feel they are not just forking out to clear debt. The entire club is open to any suggestions from the fans or groups on how to generate new income streams. A couple of examples were if a monthly subscription was in place then once a month 2 lucky fans would get a day out at Ibrox in the Directors box for all home games. Other ideas were simple things like receiving a Rangers share which holds unique sentimental value.

Fans Groups – Mr Whyte spoke about the need for unity and how vital it was that all the various groups put aside their issues and work together for the club. Never has it been more vital in our entire 140 year history that this is achieved.

Media Intrusion - Mr Whyte knew it would be a tough job and that he thought interest would die down after a few months but clearly that is not the case. Indeed he expressed his surprise at just how certain sections of the media have been operating lately and it has opened his eyes.

Player and Staff Security – This is an area that is being looked at given issues surrounding the recent attack on Alejandro Bedoya's car (among others) and the separate case of a chef who openly supported the IRA working at the club's Auchenhowie training ground. Mr Whyte intimated that those types were not welcome at our club, and it was pleasing to see the club acting so decisively in removing this person and ensuring that the safety of the players and staff is paramount.

Internet Bloggers – This issue was also raised and the club are now in possession of information collated by Vanguard Bears which appears to show links between influential parties working in collusion to inflict harm on the name of Rangers FC. This will not be tolerated and will be addressed in due course. It was also mentioned that the support have a role to play in reporting anything they see which deliberately seeks to harm Rangers FC or the fans unnecessarily.

Once again our thanks go to Craig Whyte and to Jim Hannah for giving up almost 2 hours of their time and their willingness to engage with the support and we look forward to working with them again for the good of Rangers FC.

The Administrators of Vanguard Bears remain supportive of Rangers owner Craig Whyte until unfounded allegations are proven otherwise.

This post has been edited by Enrico Annoni: 12 February 2012 - 13:31

[Tim Malloy]

Apparently Mr Whyte (tugs forelock) is a bit of a domestic goddess who likes nothing more than doing a bit of washing!




Mibbe's this is why his eyes became googly?

[Dr Koop]

[Stu]

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A 10 point deduction is the current penalty for a club going in to administration and not every season as certain rumour mongers were happy to shout out at every opportunity. The phrase "Business as Usual" was used.

How odd. Here is a quote directly from the SPL handbook - freely available on the SPL website.

"Where an Insolvency Event or in the event that such Insolvency Event is part of an Insolvency Process that process, continues and/or is subsisting for more than one Season then, for each such Season, during the whole or part of which such Insolvency Event or Insolvency Process is continuing and/or subsisting, the Club concerned shall be deducted 10 points or, as the case may be, shall start each such Season on minus 10 points."

So, in layman's terms, if you are still in administration you get docked another 10 points. But that would mean Mr White wasn't being accurate or to use another quote, his evidence is "wholly unreliable".

[qpsnapper]

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The Administrators of Vanguard Bears remain supportive of Rangers owner Craig Whyte until unfounded allegations are proven otherwise.

"Until unfounded allegations are proved otherwise" sounds as though they expect them to be proven otherwise!