[shoemaker]

In these times of Scottish Cup postponements, due to inclement weather, between teams from different regions, why can't Tom Johnstone and Scott Robertson get together, and organise to play league games in the West Region, when the weather turns out to be suitable. I know the arguements will be, it is normally too late on a Friday night or after a Saturday morning inspection, but surely a contingency plan could be drawn up mid week, offering the teams in question, the opportunity, should their Scottish fixture fall foul. This would keep teams playing, while awaiting their Scottish tie getting the go ahead, and also bring in some much needed revenue.

This post has been edited by shoemaker: 06 February 2012 - 19:58

[Teofilio]

Wash your mouth out for coming up with some innovative and common sense suggestions.

The SJFA are in the dark ages and until this is realised our game will continue to suffer.

[shoemaker]

Teofilio, on 06 February 2012 - 19:58, said:

Wash your mouth out for coming up with some innovative and common sense suggestions.

The SJFA are in the dark ages and until this is realised our game will continue to suffer.

Realise this Teofilio, maybe it is time the delegates made a stand at the next AGM.

[Space Cowboy]

Teofilio, on 06 February 2012 - 19:58, said:

Wash your mouth out for coming up with some innovative and common sense suggestions.

The SJFA are in the dark ages and until this is realised our game will continue to suffer.

The West Region already did this. According to the Pollok Facebook page, had their game against Lochee United been postponed (which it was) and Largs Thistle's replay against Arniston Rangers been postponed (which it was) then they were due to play a league game at Newlandsfield. Unfortunately, this match also fell foul of the weather.

[Teofilio]

I would love the opportunity to get myself on the SJFA commitee. Although they would probably have heart attacks with what I would suggest.

[Space Cowboy]

Teofilio, on 06 February 2012 - 20:22, said:

I would love the opportunity to get myself on the SJFA commitee. Although they would probably have heart attacks with what I would suggest.

You can suggest all you want - it is still up to the clubs themselves if these changes are implemented.

[Teofilio]

Space Cowboy, on 06 February 2012 - 20:25, said:

You can suggest all you want - it is still up to the clubs themselves if these changes are implemented.

That's true. I just believe that there is so much untapped potential for the juniors and it's held back by negative people stuck in the good ol' days! Times change, you have to evolve your product to keep it interesting and make people want it. Goes for anything in the whole world.

I'll get off my soapbox now!

[Mon The Port]

good idea imo

[Perry Mason]

Space Cowboy, on 06 February 2012 - 20:10, said:

The West Region already did this. According to the Pollok Facebook page, had their game against Lochee United been postponed (which it was) and Largs Thistle's replay against Arniston Rangers been postponed (which it was) then they were due to play a league game at Newlandsfield. Unfortunately, this match also fell foul of the weather.

The West Region (Mr Robertson) only agreed to this after both Largs and Pollok had been consulting for most of the week. I am told it was the Largs Secretary who initially contacted Mr Robertson to ask for a 'back up' fixture and this was snubbed on the basis that the 'Scottish' ties would be going ahead. In the end he contacted Pollok directly to try and set up an alternative fixture. Other regions, in particular the North Region have set up 'back up' fixtures in the past. The West of the country was always going to be milder last week so it would have made sense to have a back up plan.

[santheman]

This particular round as well as the scheduled league fixtures has suffered practically a wipe out each week (at least in the West) so where would you play the back up fixtures if all the grounds were unplayable anyway.Maybe I,m missing something?
Apart from that a good idea.

[shoemaker]

santheman, on 06 February 2012 - 22:41, said:

This particular round as well as the scheduled league fixtures has suffered practically a wipe out each week (at least in the West) so where would you play the back up fixtures if all the grounds were unplayable anyway.Maybe I,m missing something?
Apart from that a good idea.

santheman Take your point.I think in fact you have highlighted an exceptional weekend here .I am only suggesting, that where West region clubs, are involved with teams from the North/East region either in replays or fixtures in the Scottish Cup, and where by Wed/Thurs it becomes very apparent, that the game in the North/East region is very doubtful, and alternately in the West there is,the opportunity to play, two teams could talk, as was posted Pollok and Largs had done, and put there proposal forward th Scott Robertson for his perusal, which could result in a league fixture being played, which keeps players match fit, and also brings in much needed revenue, which I am sure most clubs would welcome.

[Napoleon]

Santheman Portland park Troon was playable and I believe it was offered to kilbirnie as an alternative to get the game away with them taking the full gate but no up take on the offer. Seems daft given reasons last post since they missed 4 games with lossiemouth last round on now on 4th attempt this round. Although can understand wanting to play at your own ground also good to get games played given the back log in fixtures and loss in money.

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[ladeside4]

Don't know who told you that m8 ? First I have heard of it , no team would want to give up home advantage specially ourselves who have been inconsistent to say the least this season , facing a team on form tough enough tie without giving up home advantage !! Also scottish cup ties gates are halved and a percentage goes to scottish ! Can understand troon are disappointed that weather has put game off the same as ourselves but couldn't imagine them giving up gate receipts to play (unless they are loaded!!! Lol ) think someone is on the wind up ..

[santheman]

shoemaker, on 07 February 2012 - 21:15, said:

santheman Take your point.I think in fact you have highlighted an exceptional weekend here .I am only suggesting, that where West region clubs, are involved with teams from the North/East region either in replays or fixtures in the Scottish Cup, and where by Wed/Thurs it becomes very apparent, that the game in the North/East region is very doubtful, and alternately in the West there is,the opportunity to play, two teams could talk, as was posted Pollok and Largs had done, and put there proposal forward th Scott Robertson for his perusal, which could result in a league fixture being played, which keeps players match fit, and also brings in much needed revenue, which I am sure most clubs would welcome.

Agree that when there are games off between teams from different regions then it would make sense to play league games if one of those regions escaped the ravages of our weather.
The only problem I could see is one of timing eg if games were called off Sat morning it would take some effort to arrange something at such short notice (unless provisional games were announced in advance of any potential postponements) Teams would have to have their parks lined for instance, pies bought in not to mention Refs and linesmen notified.
Not saying it would be impossible just pretty difficult in some cases.
Could be wrong here but would it not be seen as an advantage to teams who had a player on a match ban and being able to serve it in a league game and therefore be available for the rearranged cup match?

[ladeside4]

Could be seen as an advantage if a team has a player able to serve his ban and be available for cup tie but then again players team could be going for promotion or fighting relegation then it would even itself out as he would miss league game!! Its a catch 22 situation at the end of the day player still misses a game .
Imo summer football could be seen as the solution as you might have an odd game off but nothing like we are experiencing at this moment in time ..

[santheman]

ladeside4, on 08 February 2012 - 12:04, said:

Could be seen as an advantage if a team has a player able to serve his ban and be available for cup tie but then again players team could be going for promotion or fighting relegation then it would even itself out as he would miss league game!! Its a catch 22 situation at the end of the day player still misses a game .
Imo summer football could be seen as the solution as you might have an odd game off but nothing like we are experiencing at this moment in time ..

Take your point but don't think the team he would be facing in the Cup would see it like that as they wouldn't be interested whether he missed an important promotion or relegation battle or not as it wouldn't affect them. Having a player playing against them when he shouldn't have been is what they would focus on.
Imagine if Ladeside had a 4th round tie at home to the top team from another region and they had their 2 top players suspended for the tie. The game is then postponed and they play a league game in their own region and the players are then free to play against you. Then imagine if one of the "suspended" players scores the winning goal.

[ladeside4]

Santheman that's why I said its a catch 22 some teams would benefit while others would suffer...
Need to do something though or its going to be three games a week for a lot of teams again this season and the next few seasons as I don't see any movement towards summer football from the sjfa

[gingerblastie]

Napoleon, on 07 February 2012 - 22:12, said:

Santheman Portland park Troon was playable and I believe it was offered to kilbirnie as an alternative to get the game away with them taking the full gate but no up take on the offer. Seems daft given reasons last post since they missed 4 games with lossiemouth last round on now on 4th attempt this round. Although can understand wanting to play at your own ground also good to get games played given the back log in fixtures and loss in money.

mate there was not any offer made to switch venues.. prob mr redmond spouting lies again.it will continue to be ladesides home game if game off again (hope the feck not) if majority of games off in the region like it has been as well... think some folk down troon way forget there right next to that big salty thing they call the sea

[Portland Parker]

ladeside4, on 08 February 2012 - 07:30, said:

Don't know who told you that m8 ? First I have heard of it , no team would want to give up home advantage specially ourselves who have been inconsistent to say the least this season , facing a team on form tough enough tie without giving up home advantage !! Also scottish cup ties gates are halved and a percentage goes to scottish ! Can understand troon are disappointed that weather has put game off the same as ourselves but couldn't imagine them giving up gate receipts to play (unless they are loaded!!! Lol ) think someone is on the wind up ..

[Portland Parker]

I spoke to the Ladeside secretary myself to move the game to Portland Park with the gate going to Kilbirnie.the offer was declined so that Kilbirnie could host the game and maximize their income. In the same circumstances Troon would have made the same decision. Looking forward to Saturday's game.lets hope the weather does us a favour this week

[ladeside4]

Aye let's hope the game is on and we are talking about the match on here instead of the pitch and game being off , as enough has been said on that subject on other thread !!!!
Hope you enjoy your day on sat , but not the result lol!!!!!

[Perry Mason]

ladeside4, on 08 February 2012 - 12:04, said:

Could be seen as an advantage if a team has a player able to serve his ban and be available for cup tie but then again players team could be going for promotion or fighting relegation then it would even itself out as he would miss league game!! Its a catch 22 situation at the end of the day player still misses a game .
Imo summer football could be seen as the solution as you might have an odd game off but nothing like we are experiencing at this moment in time ..

The player wouldn't be available for cup tie. Pollok have agreed a provisional league game against Largs again this week, should both their Scottish games be off. Pollok have a player who was due to be suspended for Scottish game. Largs agreed they wouldn't object if he played against them and then served his suspension for the Scottish. Mr Robertson ruled that out and now the player will be suspended for both the league game and Scottish.

[ladeside4]

Can't see how that's possible that would mean a one match ban becomes a two match ban !!!! Can see how robertson wouldn't allow player to play in league match even if clubs agreed between them as the player suspension should be nxt competitive match !!! So if largs pollok goes ahead player should be free to play in scottish!!!

[santheman]

Perry Mason, on 08 February 2012 - 21:28, said:

The player wouldn't be available for cup tie. Pollok have agreed a provisional league game against Largs again this week, should both their Scottish games be off. Pollok have a player who was due to be suspended for Scottish game. Largs agreed they wouldn't object if he played against them and then served his suspension for the Scottish. Mr Robertson ruled that out and now the player will be suspended for both the league game and Scottish.

Can't see how that can happen. A one match ban is just that and if the player served it in the league game then Lochee would surely have a good case to complain to the SJFA (if they chose to)?

[HibeeJibee]

You can see why it's pretty dodgy ground though.


What if 2 clubs have important players suspended... they might play a league game or comparatively meaningless local cup-tie on midweek, or on the day of a postponement, to gain an advantage in the cup.

Could even be rumours of clubs ensuring games were off, so they could go and play a back-up for that reason.


Solution would be competition-specific suspensions.