[lobey dosser]

I heard today that another South Lanarkshire club are having financial difficulties. Has anybody heard anything?

[glensmad]

lobey dosser, on 02 February 2012 - 12:28, said:

I heard today that another South Lanarkshire club are having financial difficulties. Has anybody heard anything?

Name names and your source, or stop stirring the pot please.

[JR Man]

I heard a rumour that Lanark are in a bit of trouble and told almost all of the amateur players they are free to look for new clubs to get them off the wage bill

Would that be the club?

[HibeeJibee]

JR Man, on 02 February 2012 - 12:42, said:

told almost all of the amateur players they are free to look for new clubs to get them off the wage bill

[JR Man]

That's right Hibee. OFF the wage bill beause all of their amateur players are paid. Like almost every other club that pay their players

[The Old Northerner]

JR Man, on 02 February 2012 - 12:53, said:

That's right Hibee. OFF the wage bill beause all of their amateur players are paid. Like almost every other club that pay their players

Brown envelopes or no, if a player is signed amateur they're free to bog off without having to be told

[Larky55]

Amateur players get expenses for playing at junior clubs. I used to buy raffle tickets with my 50p in the mid 70s.

[JR Man]

The Old Northerner, on 02 February 2012 - 13:08, said:

Brown envelopes or no, if a player is signed amateur they're free to bog off without having to be told

That may be true but if they just leave without the club releasing them then they can't play junior till the next season. Lanark would more than likely release their amateurs to play with other junior teams if they are telling them they are free to go

Larky not all clubs pay their amateurs just expenses. Some premier clubs even pay their amateur players in excess of £40-£50 a week. A bit more than expenses

[The Old Northerner]

JR Man, on 02 February 2012 - 13:31, said:

That may be true but if they just leave without the club releasing them then they can't play junior till the next season.

I think that if an amateur player notifies the SFA that he has left the club then, after 28 days, he can play for whoever

This post has been edited by The Old Northerner: 02 February 2012 - 14:02

[lobey dosser]

glensmad, on 02 February 2012 - 12:40, said:

Name names and your source, or stop stirring the pot please.

I am not "stirring the pot". I heard from a good source who didn't want to be identified on a public forum that the bank had called time on any further credit. I also didn't want to be accused of "stirring the pot" by anybody from the club not too far from the Gow. Since somebody else brought it up - yes it is Lanark - I would not like them to go under as there needs to be local rivalries to keep the games interesting & healthy.

[glensmad]

lobey dosser, on 02 February 2012 - 14:16, said:

I am not "stirring the pot". I heard from a good source who didn't want to be identified on a public forum that the bank had called time on any further credit. I also didn't want to be accused of "stirring the pot" by anybody from the club not too far from the Gow. Since somebody else brought it up - yes it is Lanark - I would not like them to go under as there needs to be local rivalries to keep the games interesting & healthy.

If you didn't want to stir the pot, why raise the topic in the first place ?

[Out The Woods]

Not true. I can tell you that for a fact!!

Maybe some players not on full money, but to release all their amatuer players would leave them with a squad of about 4!

[JR Man]

The Old Northerner, on 02 February 2012 - 13:58, said:

I think that if an amateur player notifies the SFA that he has left the club then, after 28 days, he can play for whoever

No you have to wait till the start of the next season to sign junior again unless your club allow you to go to another junior club. I know a lad who had to go back and play amateur after he asked to be released because the club who released him wouldn't let him play for another junior club

[cmontheloknow]

JR Man, on 02 February 2012 - 15:29, said:

No you have to wait till the start of the next season to sign junior again unless your club allow you to go to another junior club. I know a lad who had to go back and play amateur after he asked to be released because the club who released him wouldn't let him play for another junior club

If an amateur registration is cancelled before it expires, a player is a free agent surely?

[JR Man]

cmontheloknow, on 02 February 2012 - 17:05, said:

If an amateur registration is cancelled before it expires, a player is a free agent surely?

You certainly can't play for another team if you are released after march 31st not 100% sure before then though

[Clearviewoftheball]

JR Man, on 02 February 2012 - 17:24, said:

You certainly can't play for another team if you are released after march 31st not 100% sure before then though

If a junior club refuse to release an amateur from his contract during the period of that contract, the amateur player concerned could give notice he is leaving however would not be allowed to play for another junior club as long as the initial club held his registration. I believe he could play amateur football but certainly not junior.

I don't know how this came about but thats the rule apparently.

[lobey dosser]

glensmad, on 02 February 2012 - 14:25, said:

If you didn't want to stir the pot, why raise the topic in the first place ?

It was a genuine question. I asked it because I wanted to know if it was true. If it suits you better I will message you personally & run everything past you before I post it.

This post has been edited by lobey dosser: 02 February 2012 - 17:49

[Stargazer]

2.11 Cancellation of Non-Recreational Form Registration – Amateur
Registration upon this type of registration may be cancelled:-
i. on a written request to the Secretary duly signed by an accredited official of the club; or
ii. by the Authority of the Association; or
iii. as otherwise provided within these Procedures; or
iv. by the player writing to the Secretary stating the name of the affiliated national
association club, for which he wishes to play. A registered amateur player with a club in
membership of the Scottish Junior FA cannot nominate another club in membership of that body.
Confirmation of his eligibility to play for the club concerned will be confirmed and thereafter
his Non-Recreational Amateur form registration will be cancelled when a period of 28 days has
elapsed from the date of his written application. When a registration is cancelled to allow a
player to play for the club stated in his application he may not play or be registered for any other
club during the same playing season.

cmontheloknow, on 02 February 2012 - 17:05, said:

If an amateur registration is cancelled before it expires, a player is a free agent surely?

[cmontheloknow]

Stargazer, on 02 February 2012 - 17:44, said:

2.11 Cancellation of Non-Recreational Form Registration – Amateur
Registration upon this type of registration may be cancelled:-
i. on a written request to the Secretary duly signed by an accredited official of the club; or
ii. by the Authority of the Association; or
iii. as otherwise provided within these Procedures; or
iv. by the player writing to the Secretary stating the name of the affiliated national
association club, for which he wishes to play. A registered amateur player with a club in
membership of the Scottish Junior FA cannot nominate another club in membership of that body.
Confirmation of his eligibility to play for the club concerned will be confirmed and thereafter
his Non-Recreational Amateur form registration will be cancelled when a period of 28 days has
elapsed from the date of his written application. When a registration is cancelled to allow a
player to play for the club stated in his application he may not play or be registered for any other
club during the same playing season.

I wish they'd write these things in plain English rather than legaleeze.

An amateur registration (and effectively any player on one) is protected from predation until 'end of season' though I'd have thought if the club agrees to its cancellation it would be none of their business where he goes.

All that says (to me) is that a player cannot use signing for another Junior club as his reason to get it cancelled. What if he uses (ii) 'as otherwise provided...' which is unspecified but could be the 'not played for 28 days' rule and then a month or so later signs with another Junior club?

Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that a player who is genuinely a free agent and has had his form cancelled (as opposed to being allowed to go and play in the park with his mates) would be able to go where he wants. All the legislation says is they won't cancel a form on the players request to sign elsewhere in SJFAland. Once the form's torn up, I don't see where the rules say 'naw'.

This post has been edited by cmontheloknow: 02 February 2012 - 18:54

[glensmad]

lobey dosser, on 02 February 2012 - 17:43, said:

It was a genuine question. I asked it because I wanted to know if it was true. If it suits you better I will message you personally & run everything past you before I post it.

It just seems to me that you wanted word to get out about this, but wanted somebody else to tell the story.

[fms]

I know, Iknow here we go again, WHY AMATEUR?

This bloody carbuncle has been with us for ever, AMATEUR MY ARSE, there just is no such a thing among those who use this outmoded form for their own cash spending preventation ends.
Can anyone tell me that Stranraer and the others, who encourage players to get reinstated AMATEUR, that relieves them of the liability to compensate the Junior teams are NOT PAYING THEM?

Let our legislation abolish the term AMATEUR as England did about thirty years ago.

A real pity if Lanark are forced to quit. They have been around for so long and one man especially has put his life into the club.

This post has been edited by fms: 02 February 2012 - 19:01

[pollok1997]

I didn't really read P&B very often until very recently, but a guy I spoke to about junior footy the other day told me Harthill Royal are gone/very close to going to the wall???

Any truth in that? (hope not, need this trend of junior clubs hitting the skids to stop)

[Larky55]

Am I being nieve here, can amateur players openly get money for playing?

[santheman]

Larky55, on 02 February 2012 - 21:34, said:

Am I being nieve here, can amateur players openly get money for playing?

J there is a player not too far from you who is an amateur and got offered 2 grand as a signing on fee from a club in the top league AND £30 a week so in answer to your question YES

[HibeeJibee]

We're getting the usual stories here over amateurs getting paid being widespread if not rife in the Junior game. Whether thats true or false - what's the particular incentive to sign someone on amateur terms, them pay them illicitly?