[jupe1407]

The Troll, on 04 February 2012 - 10:56, said:

The fact you blatantly missed the die hard comment before the word Rangers shows your not in this for a discussion, your in this merely to get on over on someone. The fact remains, if Rangers were in real danger of going out of business, there would be more than enough people to save the club

Given the respective sizes of the supports, of course there will be more Rangers "die hards". However if you're talking about a proportion of the overall support of each club, you're fucking kidding yourself if you think, Dundee or Morton or whoever had less of their fans willing to muck in and help their club, than Rangers fans will if they start going tits up.

I'm not in this for anything. I just find it quite funny that Rangers are in the shite, and would find it considerably funnier to see the tear-stained breakdowns of the local glory hunters who'll be forced to log onto sportsdirect.com to try to find XXXL sized Chelsea or Man City shirts, instead.

[The Troll]

vikingTON, on 04 February 2012 - 11:04, said:

Even assuming you are correct (which any study of an Ibrox crowd would obviously state that you aren't, as it isn't completely full of under-30s): what has changed in the demographic of Scottish football, since the 1980s, that has turned so many of them to support Glasgow Rangers?

Hmm. It's a toughie.

I thought it was clear. People are growing up supporting Rangers, instead of taking them up. I think, perhaps, crowds rose initially due to glory hunters, but to claim such now is folly and out dated

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Really? 20,000 children at a home match? You're not making much sense here at all, it seems like you're clutching at straws now, really.

I said it swelled due to glory hunters, and because children have grown up over the past 20 years supporting them. Do you purposely miss parts of my posts to try and win an argument?

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Glory hunters aren't real supporters, and once we take all those away, rangers must have, at a push, 5,000 real fans.

Otherwise, why did even fewer than that turn up to watch their club play top flight matches in the 1980s? Was the Subway broke?

5,000 fans? So 45, 000 people turning up every week are just glory hunters? Now i know your Trollin'

Yet again you go back to the 80's, I've explained twice now i think crowds have risen since the 80's

[The Troll]

jupe1407, on 04 February 2012 - 11:12, said:

Given the respective sizes of the supports, of course there will be more Rangers "die hards". However if you're talking about a proportion of the overall support of each club, you're fucking kidding yourself if you think, Dundee or Morton or whoever had less of their fans willing to muck in and help their club, than Rangers fans will if they start going tits up.

I'm not in this for anything. I just find it quite funny that Rangers are in the shite, and would find it considerably funnier to see the tear-stained breakdowns of the local glory hunters who'll be forced to log onto sportsdirect.com to try to find XXXL sized Chelsea or Man City shirts, instead.

That's completely different from your posts have suggested. Makes me think your changing this as we go along to suit yourself, or am i wrong? When we are taking about proportions then yes, a higher percentage of Rangers fans wouldn't help, but those who did would still outnumber the Dundee fans who did ten to one. I don't understand where your trying to take this discussion

[Caledonian]

For years I have been sick and tired of Rangers supporters saying "Ayr United missed the boat when they knocked back David Murray". Which boat? The Titanic?

[RoversMad]

Caledonian, on 04 February 2012 - 11:22, said:

For years I have been sick and tired of Rangers supporters saying "Ayr United missed the boat when they knocked back David Murray". Which boat? The Titanic?

[RoversMad]

The Troll, on 04 February 2012 - 11:13, said:

I thought it was clear. People are growing up supporting Rangers, instead of taking them up. I think, perhaps, crowds rose initially due to glory hunters, but to claim such now is folly and out dated




I said it swelled due to glory hunters, and because children have grown up over the past 20 years supporting them. Do you purposely miss parts of my posts to try and win an argument?



5,000 fans? So 45, 000 people turning up every week are just glory hunters? Now i know your Trollin'

Yet again you go back to the 80's, I've explained twice now i think crowds have risen since the 80's

Aye it looks like it today, hell of a lot of empty seats at Castle Greyskull today!
So where exactly are those 45,000 loyal fans who turn up every week today, in a week when it's clear to all that their club needs them more than ever?

[G_Man1985]

The Troll, on 04 February 2012 - 10:56, said:

The fact you blatantly missed the die hard comment before the word Rangers shows your not in this for a discussion, your in this merely to get on over on someone. The fact remains, if Rangers were in real danger of going out of business, there would be more than enough people to save the club

Good crowd today. Nothing like supporting your team when it needs you most. Where are the die hards? 70% of the stadium is not even filled

[Gnash]

jagfox, on 02 February 2012 - 01:40, said:

Scottish football would become officially a joke. The national team would lose a quarter to a third of its players over the coming years.

How'd you reckon? If the Scottish national team becomes a joke like Ireland's, I'll take that.

[Gaz FFC]

Where are the people?

[Gaz FFC]

Didn't think i'd find a link between the captain of Costa concordia and Rangers fans, but it seems both can't ditch a sinking ship fast enough.

[DundeeFC92]

The Troll, on 04 February 2012 - 11:13, said:

I thought it was clear. People are growing up supporting Rangers, instead of taking them up. I think, perhaps, crowds rose initially due to glory hunters, but to claim such now is folly and out dated




I said it swelled due to glory hunters, and because children have grown up over the past 20 years supporting them. Do you purposely miss parts of my posts to try and win an argument?



5,000 fans? So 45, 000 people turning up every week are just glory hunters? Now i know your Trollin'

Yet again you go back to the 80's, I've explained twice now i think crowds have risen since the 80's

[GiGi]

jagfox, on 02 February 2012 - 01:40, said:

Scottish football would become officially a joke. The national team would lose a quarter to a third of its players over the coming years.

What are you talking about? Will all of these good footballers simply evaporate and cease to exist if Rangers go belly up?

[Gaz FFC]

What's got 4 legs, a tail and more money than Rangers? Harry Redknapp's dog.

[neildundee]

Forget your 45,000 a week.

Where are the reported 230,000 fans that travelled to Manchester for the UEFA Cup Final?

Same could be said for every club with a large fan base when there team is doing shite

[AsimButtHitsASix]

As much as I am enjoying watching them suffer sadly there'll be no jelly and ice cream.

Somewhere there is a millionaire Rangers fan who would step in at the last minute to save them (a proper millionaire and not Craig Whyte). But, even if that were not the case, and they folded we'll take Gretna and Airdrie as examples.

I'm pretty sure Gretna never applied for re-election either because they knew they wouldn't get back in or because they took to long to reform as the new Gretna club.

Airdrieonians went bust and tried to do, as was said earlier, start afresh with no debts, a shiny new stadium and a (fairly) large support and were quite rightly* told to get on their bike. It didn't matter as they quite wrongly* just bought Clydebank's place.

(* = my opinion. not fact.. but probably right)

Now the chairmen of the SFL were against Airdrieonians just cancelling all their debts and starting afresh when clubs like my own, Thistle, Falkirk.. hell that list's longer than Schindlers were either going through financial hardship, still suffering from previous or staring it right in the face. If the same vote was given again but Rangers were the club in question that's a significant windfall for all the clubs. An SFL tv deal would be on the horizon, increased gate revenues from their fans and so on. It would make financial sense to let them back in and money > morals when it comes to football chairmen.

But let's say they aren't voted back in due to some "Catholic conspiracy" or whatever reason Rangers fans cry about. They will buy the place of Montrose or East Stirlingshire or Berwick Rangers OR Benburb will suddenly move to Ibrox and change their name to Benburb Rangers and re-apply and they'll be allowed in.

Rangers wont die no matter what. And apart from a small cash windfall for that one season they're in the league your club is in it wont impact SFL clubs at all. Infact it may damage them as it may drive away fans from the 1st in that season because your club has no chance of winning the title. Celtic will go from strength to strength in their absence and the two horse race will take at least a decade to return. In which time Motherwell, Aberdeen and the likes wont get any closer to challenging Celtic and will themselves have less revenue.

Also regarding them moving South or to a European League that would be worse than the status quo. It would belittle the Scottish league. Why support Port Talbot Town when you can follow Swansea? The whole "local pride" thing will no longer matter for bringing fans into the clubs currently.

But the worst thing will be Rangers playing in the third division and they WILL sell out Ibrox because it will be cheaper and the fans only care about them winning no matter the opposition. And they'll still be moronic, mouth breathing glory hunters but they'll take some sort of token pride about "being there when we were playing the likes of Forfar". It'll make the Seville calculator look like a child's abacus.

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[Monkey Tennis]

AsimButtHitsASix, on 05 February 2012 - 21:15, said:

As much as I am enjoying watching them suffer sadly there'll be no jelly and ice cream.

Somewhere there is a millionaire Rangers fan who would step in at the last minute to save them (a proper millionaire and not Craig Whyte). But, even if that were not the case, and they folded we'll take Gretna and Airdrie as examples.

I'm pretty sure Gretna never applied for re-election either because they knew they wouldn't get back in or because they took to long to reform as the new Gretna club.

Airdrieonians went bust and tried to do, as was said earlier, start afresh with no debts, a shiny new stadium and a (fairly) large support and were quite rightly* told to get on their bike. It didn't matter as they quite wrongly* just bought Clydebank's place.

(* = my opinion. not fact.. but probably right)

Now the chairmen of the SFL were against Airdrieonians just cancelling all their debts and starting afresh when clubs like my own, Thistle, Falkirk.. hell that list's longer than Schindlers were either going through financial hardship, still suffering from previous or staring it right in the face. If the same vote was given again but Rangers were the club in question that's a significant windfall for all the clubs. An SFL tv deal would be on the horizon, increased gate revenues from their fans and so on. It would make financial sense to let them back in and money > morals when it comes to football chairmen.

But let's say they aren't voted back in due to some "Catholic conspiracy" or whatever reason Rangers fans cry about. They will buy the place of Montrose or East Stirlingshire or Berwick Rangers OR Benburb will suddenly move to Ibrox and change their name to Benburb Rangers and re-apply and they'll be allowed in.

Rangers wont die no matter what. And apart from a small cash windfall for that one season they're in the league your club is in it wont impact SFL clubs at all. Infact it may damage them as it may drive away fans from the 1st in that season because your club has no chance of winning the title. Celtic will go from strength to strength in their absence and the two horse race will take at least a decade to return. In which time Motherwell, Aberdeen and the likes wont get any closer to challenging Celtic and will themselves have less revenue.

Also regarding them moving South or to a European League that would be worse than the status quo. It would belittle the Scottish league. Why support Port Talbot Town when you can follow Swansea? The whole "local pride" thing will no longer matter for bringing fans into the clubs currently.

But the worst thing will be Rangers playing in the third division and they WILL sell out Ibrox because it will be cheaper and the fans only care about them winning no matter the opposition. And they'll still be moronic, mouth breathing glory hunters but they'll take some sort of token pride about "being there when we were playing the likes of Forfar". It'll make the Seville calculator look like a child's abacus.

Isn't it more likely (and in some ways more appealing) that they'll just be a shit SPL team for a few years?

It would be fascinating to see a return to the first half of the 80s when the country had about 4 or 5 teams who were better than them. Their gates would inevitably suffer and their tops would be less evident in our towns. Eventually, they'd probably get some sort of financial act together and start challenging Celtic again, but the meantime would be good.

Right now, I'd take that scenario - Hell, I'd even honour it with some ice cream and jelly.

[AsimButtHitsASix]

You're right. Should have made that clearer. I was just arguing I don't see any real benefit IF they were to go under.

[Fifespud]

AsimButtHitsASix, on 05 February 2012 - 21:15, said:

As much as I am enjoying watching them suffer sadly there'll be no jelly and ice cream.

Somewhere there is a millionaire Rangers fan who would step in at the last minute to save them (a proper millionaire and not Craig Whyte). But, even if that were not the case, and they folded we'll take Gretna and Airdrie as examples.

I'm pretty sure Gretna never applied for re-election either because they knew they wouldn't get back in or because they took to long to reform as the new Gretna club.

Airdrieonians went bust and tried to do, as was said earlier, start afresh with no debts, a shiny new stadium and a (fairly) large support and were quite rightly* told to get on their bike. It didn't matter as they quite wrongly* just bought Clydebank's place.

(* = my opinion. not fact.. but probably right)

Now the chairmen of the SFL were against Airdrieonians just cancelling all their debts and starting afresh when clubs like my own, Thistle, Falkirk.. hell that list's longer than Schindlers were either going through financial hardship, still suffering from previous or staring it right in the face. If the same vote was given again but Rangers were the club in question that's a significant windfall for all the clubs. An SFL tv deal would be on the horizon, increased gate revenues from their fans and so on. It would make financial sense to let them back in and money > morals when it comes to football chairmen.

But let's say they aren't voted back in due to some "Catholic conspiracy" or whatever reason Rangers fans cry about. They will buy the place of Montrose or East Stirlingshire or Berwick Rangers OR Benburb will suddenly move to Ibrox and change their name to Benburb Rangers and re-apply and they'll be allowed in.

Rangers wont die no matter what. And apart from a small cash windfall for that one season they're in the league your club is in it wont impact SFL clubs at all. Infact it may damage them as it may drive away fans from the 1st in that season because your club has no chance of winning the title. Celtic will go from strength to strength in their absence and the two horse race will take at least a decade to return. In which time Motherwell, Aberdeen and the likes wont get any closer to challenging Celtic and will themselves have less revenue.

Also regarding them moving South or to a European League that would be worse than the status quo. It would belittle the Scottish league. Why support Port Talbot Town when you can follow Swansea? The whole "local pride" thing will no longer matter for bringing fans into the clubs currently.

But the worst thing will be Rangers playing in the third division and they WILL sell out Ibrox because it will be cheaper and the fans only care about them winning no matter the opposition. And they'll still be moronic, mouth breathing glory hunters but they'll take some sort of token pride about "being there when we were playing the likes of Forfar". It'll make the Seville calculator look like a child's abacus.

If anyone read the whole post - was there anything interesting after 'much'?

[ross-lichtie95]

If Rangers did go down the pipe I don't think it would effect Arbroath. There seems to be a lot more Celtic fans in Arbroath than Rangers fans, except the Smokie Bears obviously

[The Troll]

RoversMad, on 05 February 2012 - 13:16, said:

Aye it looks like it today, hell of a lot of empty seats at Castle Greyskull today!
So where exactly are those 45,000 loyal fans who turn up every week today, in a week when it's clear to all that their club needs them more than ever?

G_Man1985, on 05 February 2012 - 13:18, said:

Good crowd today. Nothing like supporting your team when it needs you most. Where are the die hards? 70% of the stadium is not even filled

DundeeFC92, on 05 February 2012 - 16:10, said:

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[mattydfc]

That old chestnut eh?

[The Troll]

mattydfc, on 06 February 2012 - 00:34, said:

That old chestnut eh?

When in doubt, gif it out.....

[Jimmy85]

Can't say I'm surprised to see The Troll make a complete and utter tit of himself, again.

[RoversMad]

The Troll, on 06 February 2012 - 00:20, said:

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Aye I'm trolling, Ibrox was actually very near full today but the tv cameras focused on the empty seats rather than the full ones....
Get real.....

Guys like myself, the guys I travel to Rovers games with, the Ayr & Partick & Dundee & yes even the Morton fans who travel, pay their way, and have been there on a freezin cold Tuesday night, 2-0 down at Brechin or Montrose or wherever, they are real fans, and pound for pound I think both halves of the ugly sisters have less "real fans" than any of the rest of us, once you take away the glory hunters, then the bigots, there aint much left and I feel that was proved today with the piss poor crowd. I have loads of "old firm fan" friends, but I dont know anybody who regularly visits Ibrox or Parkhead, conversely the only St Johnstone, Hibs, Dundee and Pars fans I have as friends follow their team every week
Look at Dundee, when the shit hit the fan at Dens, the real fans came out and supported the club, if I`m not mistaken the crowds actually went up during admin, whether they agreed with the management, the board, the state of the club, they came out as one and payed their way through the gate etc, today was a day for those who are true Rangers supporters to get out there and show that, nomatter what happens, no matter how bad things get, they will still follow the team, Ibrox should have been sold out today if all those who say they were "Loyal" went along to show their loyalty, however the evidence shows their loyalties probably lie in their slate at the boozer and saving up for next seasons strip.


If I`ve misread your post (going by your username and taking into account the copious amounts of red wine I have consumed this evening) and have been trolled myself into a reaction, then I`m sorry but I dont even care, the only thing for me that could make this mess that Rangers find themselves in even more amusing would be if "Sellick" were in the sh** as well! FTOF

[The Troll]

Jimmy85, on 06 February 2012 - 00:51, said:

Can't say I'm surprised to see The Troll make a complete and utter tit of himself, again.

you realise every time you quote one of my posts you state I've made a tit of myself or you insult me. Can i ask why you follow me about to do this?

RoversMad, on 06 February 2012 - 01:19, said:

Aye I'm trolling, Ibrox was actually very near full today but the tv cameras focused on the empty seats rather than the full ones....
Get real.....

Guys like myself, the guys I travel to Rovers games with, the Ayr & Partick & Dundee & yes even the Morton fans who travel, pay their way, and have been there on a freezin cold Tuesday night, 2-0 down at Brechin or Montrose or wherever, they are real fans, and pound for pound I think both halves of the ugly sisters have less "real fans" than any of the rest of us, once you take away the glory hunters, then the bigots, there aint much left and I feel that was proved today with the piss poor crowd. I have loads of "old firm fan" friends, but I dont know anybody who regularly visits Ibrox or Parkhead, conversely the only St Johnstone, Hibs, Dundee and Pars fans I have as friends follow their team every week
Look at Dundee, when the shit hit the fan at Dens, the real fans came out and supported the club, if I`m not mistaken the crowds actually went up during admin, whether they agreed with the management, the board, the state of the club, they came out as one and payed their way through the gate etc, today was a day for those who are true Rangers supporters to get out there and show that, nomatter what happens, no matter how bad things get, they will still follow the team, Ibrox should have been sold out today if all those who say they were "Loyal" went along to show their loyalty, however the evidence shows their loyalties probably lie in their slate at the boozer and saving up for next seasons strip.


If I`ve misread your post (going by your username and taking into account the copious amounts of red wine I have consumed this evening) and have been trolled myself into a reaction, then I`m sorry but I dont even care, the only thing for me that could make this mess that Rangers find themselves in even more amusing would be if "Sellick" were in the sh** as well! FTOF

^ Taking this far too seriously. Needs to get a life...