[The Taxman]

Please help...

I have wellies, work shoes, walking boots and 2 pairs of trainers. But I do not have any grave dancing shoes, where can I buy these, can I borrow someones..PLEASE, PLEASE help, I don't want to miss out..!!

[Tim Malloy]

The Taxman, on 31 January 2012 - 10:37, said:

Please help...

I have wellies, work shoes, walking boots and 2 pairs of trainers. But I do not have any grave dancing shoes, where can I buy these, can I borrow someones..PLEASE, PLEASE help, I don't want to miss out..!!

Got those already!!! Just ordered these as a wee treat!

[the 67]

[Tim Malloy]

The Taxman, on 31 January 2012 - 10:37, said:

Please help...

I have wellies, work shoes, walking boots and 2 pairs of trainers. But I do not have any grave dancing shoes, where can I buy these, can I borrow someones..PLEASE, PLEASE help, I don't want to miss out..!!

Give Craig Whyte a text! The amount of companies he's bust? He must have more pairs than Imelda Marcos!

This post has been edited by Tim Malloy: 31 January 2012 - 16:13

[BigVicWanyama]

So many great threads today


Any shoes'll do

[pollokfan1987]

BigVicWanyama, on 31 January 2012 - 18:50, said:

So many great threads today


Any shoes'll do

It's time for the Tax Song to Start

[itzdrk]

ive picked out this pair

[bennett]

Can i give you some advice Tax lad. It's best to hold fire on these sort of threads until the event has happened, otherwise you may just end up looking foolish in the coming months.

[Jinky67]

bennett, on 02 February 2012 - 12:34, said:

Can i give you some advice Tax lad. It's best to hold fire on these sort of threads until the event has happened, otherwise you may just end up looking foolish in the coming months.

You seem to have missed Craig Whytes memo.

Regardless of the tax case you are still spending more than you take in.

But that's what happens when you sell off your merchandising, catering and your season ticket sales.

[Erin Go Bragh]

I wouldn't be so smug if I was a Celtic fan.

If Rangers went to the wall then your lot would be absolutely fucked soon enough as well. The SPL is tedious enough with two clubs going for the title every year, will you lot take great satisfaction from winning against 11 teams who can't afford to compete with you? Will TV companies pay to watch Celtic v club 10 times smaller than Celtic every weekend? Will your fans even stick around to watch your team lift the title when some of your players get paid more than entire bottom six squads?

Celtic and Rangers are absolutely defined by their rivalry with eachother, it's the first and only thing you're famous for. If Rangers go up shit creek I'll give Celtic five years before they follow them.

[Jinky67]

Erin Go Bragh, on 02 February 2012 - 13:43, said:

I wouldn't be so smug if I was a Celtic fan.

If Rangers went to the wall then your lot would be absolutely fucked soon enough as well. The SPL is tedious enough with two clubs going for the title every year, will you lot take great satisfaction from winning against 11 teams who can't afford to compete with you? Will TV companies pay to watch Celtic v club 10 times smaller than Celtic every weekend? Will your fans even stick around to watch your team lift the title when some of your players get paid more than entire bottom six squads?

Celtic and Rangers are absolutely defined by their rivalry with eachother, it's the first and only thing you're famous for. If Rangers go up shit creek I'll give Celtic five years before they follow them.

Sounds more like wishful thinking.

Celtic wouldn't be fucked. We would lose revenue ofc and we would lose our 4 biggest games of the season.

But we would have to cut our cloth accordingly and adapt in the SPL without Rangers.

I would also be pretty sure the Celtic board would then agressively pursue entry into another league and we possibly may be a more attractive option at that point that since there is no Old Firm anymore that would also put an end to the thing that makes us unattractive other leagues.

Thing is though Rangers may go into administration but there is no way Rangers will cease to exist as a competive force in Scotland.

[magee84]

As opposed to hibs who are up shit creek anyway; even though your city rivals are not a kick in the arse away from where their big cousins in govan are headed!
Bit strange to slate where celtic might be in a hypothetical scenario when your side has managed the almost impossible task of wrestling the 'scotlands joke team' title from aberdeen!
Ho ho thats hearts, hibs, aberdeen and rangers all insulted in the one post.
Here comes the abuse !!!!!!!

[the 67]

Erin Go Bragh, on 02 February 2012 - 13:43, said:

I wouldn't be so smug if I was a Celtic fan.

If Rangers went to the wall then your lot would be absolutely fucked soon enough as well. The SPL is tedious enough with two clubs going for the title every year, will you lot take great satisfaction from winning against 11 teams who can't afford to compete with you? Will TV companies pay to watch Celtic v club 10 times smaller than Celtic every weekend? Will your fans even stick around to watch your team lift the title when some of your players get paid more than entire bottom six squads?

Celtic and Rangers are absolutely defined by their rivalry with eachother, it's the first and only thing you're famous for. If Rangers go up shit creek I'll give Celtic five years before they follow them.

I think Rangers will still be about...question is at what shape will they be in???
Rangers won numerous titles while Celtic was on it's knees.....so it will be a role reversal...difference is Celtic will probably downsize the squad and the wage bill and quite rightly so...Rangers on the other hand were chasing a European dream of winning the big cup...Laudrup and Gazza and Boli were brought into to mount a challenge for the European cup....and it failed...I can't see Celtics directors sanctioning major signings if they are strolling easily to domestic titles on an impossible dream of winning the champions league can you???

[Erin Go Bragh]

Jinky67, on 02 February 2012 - 13:49, said:

Sounds more like wishful thinking.

Celtic wouldn't be fucked. We would lose revenue ofc and we would lose our 4 biggest games of the season.

But we would have to cut our cloth accordingly and adapt in the SPL without Rangers.

I would also be pretty sure the Celtic board would then agressively pursue entry into another league and we possibly may be a more attractive option at that point that since there is no Old Firm anymore that would also put an end to the thing that makes us unattractive other leagues.

Thing is though Rangers may go into administration but there is no way Rangers will cease to exist as a competive force in Scotland.

You've missed the point. Say I'm wrong and Celtic remain financially healthy for years to come without Rangers around (I agree that Rangers won't disappear, but I was replying to the OP's grave dancing comments), the reality is that Celtic would scoop up nearly every trophy there is in Scotland every year. That's not interesting for anyone really, i think supporting Celtic with no rivals or competitors would be an extremely boring existance. I'd say many fans would stop bothering.

BTW I think the idea of Celtic and/or Rangers joining another league is pure and utter fantasy. IMO one day there'll be a big gay European League for all the plastic clubs in Europe to play in, but in today's game Celtic wouldn't be near the top tier of that.

magee84, on 02 February 2012 - 13:57, said:

As opposed to hibs who are up shit creek anyway; even though your city rivals are not a kick in the arse away from where their big cousins in govan are headed!
Bit strange to slate where celtic might be in a hypothetical scenario when your side has managed the almost impossible task of wrestling the 'scotlands joke team' title from aberdeen!
Ho ho thats hearts, hibs, aberdeen and rangers all insulted in the one post.
Here comes the abuse !!!!!!!

Christ, I'm guessing you're around 28 years old?

Brilliant observation, Hibs are in a dire situation (as are Hearts off the field). The difference is that as bad as we are (which BTW I'm not sure why you brought it up, it has nothing to do with my point), Hibs can always aspire to improve and challenge at a higher level. With our current board that looks unlikely, but whilst there's even a glimmer of hope we having something to play for.

Celtic and Rangers are already below a glass ceiling, they gobbled up every last penny Scottish football has to offer them. Take away the tedious two team competition between them and there's nothing left whatsoever. Give me a straight yes or no answer, if Rangers went bust tommorow and Celtic strolled the next 10 titles by 30 points, would you find each title dead exciting?

Edit: The67, if you're talking about Celtic dominating because Rangers are there but they're just shit, I can see the appeal for Celtic because there's a similiar sized club there to gloat at. The OP is hoping for Rangers to fold, which is idiotic and would be bad news for Celtic IMO.

This post has been edited by Erin Go Bragh: 02 February 2012 - 14:11

[banterman86]

Erin Go Bragh, on 02 February 2012 - 13:43, said:

I wouldn't be so smug if I was a Celtic fan.

If Rangers went to the wall then your lot would be absolutely fucked soon enough as well. The SPL is tedious enough with two clubs going for the title every year, will you lot take great satisfaction from winning against 11 teams who can't afford to compete with you? Will TV companies pay to watch Celtic v club 10 times smaller than Celtic every weekend? Will your fans even stick around to watch your team lift the title when some of your players get paid more than entire bottom six squads?

Celtic and Rangers are absolutely defined by their rivalry with eachother, it's the first and only thing you're famous for. If Rangers go up shit creek I'll give Celtic five years before they follow them.

Celtic would almost certainly down size to reflect the change in economic circumstances - don;t forget this was a club who had been criticsed by some of their fanbase by basing their player expenditure too close to what rangers are doing.

A headline rilvary would also eveolve - look at the premiership, were the demise of Liverpool, arsenal and Chelsea all as title challengers to Man has resulted in soemone else rising up.

[Jinky67]

Erin Go Bragh, on 02 February 2012 - 14:07, said:

You've missed the point. Say I'm wrong and Celtic remain financially healthy for years to come without Rangers around (I agree that Rangers won't disappear, but I was replying to the OP's grave dancing comments), the reality is that Celtic would scoop up nearly every trophy there is in Scotland every year. That's not interesting for anyone really, i think supporting Celtic with no rivals or competitors would be an extremely boring existance. I'd say many fans would stop bothering.

BTW I think the idea of Celtic and/or Rangers joining another league is pure and utter fantasy. IMO one day there'll be a big gay European League for all the plastic clubs in Europe to play in, but in today's game Celtic wouldn't be top tier of that.

And in that respect you would be right. Although our revenue would be down and we would have to downsize we should still be scooping up the vast majority of trophies and that is why i think Celtic would pursue entry into another league.

Fantasy it may be but if Cardiff and Swansea can cain entry into England then why not Celtic on their own? Celtic and Rangers together are an unattractive prospect due to the way they bring out the worst in each others support but that would no longer be a problem.

Even now i would like to see Celtic compete in the English Championship. A good competitive league at a good standard and with decent revenue streams which could only improve our side.

Nothing wrong with fantasy though, a man walking on the moon was once fantasy as was a black president in the USA. Shit happens and things change.

This post has been edited by Jinky67: 02 February 2012 - 14:16

[Erin Go Bragh]

banterman86, on 02 February 2012 - 14:10, said:

Celtic would almost certainly down size to reflect the change in economic circumstances - don;t forget this was a club who had been criticsed by some of their fanbase by basing their player expenditure too close to what rangers are doing.

A headline rilvary would also eveolve - look at the premiership, were the demise of Liverpool, arsenal and Chelsea all as title challengers to Man has resulted in soemone else rising up.

I agree that Rangers going out of business would result in a major downsizing for Celtic, I'm not sure Celtic fans would enjoy that though. I reckon if Rangers folded tommorow there'd be a lot of laughter, and years from now those laughing would be really wishing things had been different.

I'm not sure a headline rivalry would evolve, the difference with the Premiership is that the clubs that have risen up to challenge are all clubs with very large fanbases. Celtic and Rangers have a huge dominance of support in Scotland, yes you'd get the odd season like 05-06 when a team like Hearts puts up a challenge, but the only way I could see a serious rivalry developing would be if Celtic massively shrunk as a club without Rangers. IMO that would happen eventually.

[magee84]

No, being aged 35 the title wins that i always recall are albert kidd day86 (think you enjoyed that as well erin), stopping the ten in 98 & tommy burns thursday in 08.
As they were the most nervy, exciting title wins you cherish them the most so no, i dont want to see rangers go bust cos the rivalry, competition etc with them is everything.
That doesnt mean they shouldnt be punished by the book if & when administration comes.
I do concede though to mantain same level of ticket sales, tv money etc if rangers went bust celtic would have to join another league.
Cant see FIFA etc ever allowing that in my lifetime though

[banterman86]

Erin Go Bragh, on 02 February 2012 - 14:17, said:

I agree that Rangers going out of business would result in a major downsizing for Celtic, I'm not sure Celtic fans would enjoy that though. I reckon if Rangers folded tommorow there'd be a lot of laughter, and years from now those laughing would be really wishing things had been different.

Perhaps - it just depends, if Celtic are playing dcenet football and winning things the support may not care that we're not trying to sign middle of the road premiership strikers

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I'm not sure a headline rivalry would evolve, the difference with the Premiership is that the clubs that have risen up to challenge are all clubs with very large fanbases. Celtic and Rangers have a huge dominance of support in Scotland, yes you'd get the odd season like 05-06 when a team like Hearts puts up a challenge, but the only way I could see a serious rivalry developing would be if Celtic massively shrunk as a club without Rangers. IMO that would happen eventually.

it would - Celtic-Hearts would presumably ebcome a fiery fixture, and the gap would shrink fairly quickly if Celtic cut their cloth accordingly. i think there's currently a 17 point gap between 1st and 3rd? But how many times the size is Celtic;s budget to Motherwells? How could Celtic justify keeping it that big?

[Jinky67]

On the topic of rivalries emerging you would have to take into account what the Rangers fanbase would do if their club went out of business.

Would the majority of them throw their support behind a particular club? if so you would probably see a rivalry emerge and quite possibly with the same problems we have today

[Erin Go Bragh]

Jinky67, on 02 February 2012 - 14:15, said:

And in that respect you would be right. Although our revenue would be down and we would have to downsize we should still be scooping up the vast majority of trophies and that is why i think Celtic would pursue entry into another league.

Fantasy it may be but if Cardiff and Swansea can cain entry into England then why not Celtic on their own? Celtic and Rangers together are an unattractive prospect due to the way they bring out the worst in each others support but that would no longer be a problem.

Even now i would like to see Celtic compete in the English Championship. A good competitive league at a good standard and with decent revenue streams which could only improve our side.

Nothing wrong with fantasy though, a man walking on the moon was once fantasy as was a black president in the USA. Shit happens and things change.

Bit of a different situation, Cardiff and Swansea joined the English set-up decades ago. Celtic joining English football means someone else not being allowed in or them changing their system, neither of which I can see happening. As we all know the English aren't shy about discussing how great they perceive their leage to be, I don't think they would see Celtic as a club that their league needs to boost its image. Apart from anything else, if they changed the system what's to stop other Scottish clubs asking to join the system? After all, give Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen the money that comes with English football and the glamour ties and I'm convinced they'd be bigger than Wigan, QPR etc. Where do you draw the line?

My view is that this European Super League thing will definitely happen in my life time, clubs have hoovered up all the money from smaller clubs in every major league and the only chance for them to make more money is to play eachother every week. This is Celtic and/or Rangers only chance to get away from Scottish football, although like I said they'd start off a fair bit down the pecking order now.

Tbh I'd be up for it, that way everything I dislike about modern football can be thrown in one ignorable basket and I can continue supporting Hibs in whatever set-up they're in.

[Erin Go Bragh]

magee84, on 02 February 2012 - 14:21, said:

No, being aged 35 the title wins that i always recall are albert kidd day86 (think you enjoyed that as well erin), stopping the ten in 98 & tommy burns thursday in 08.
As they were the most nervy, exciting title wins you cherish them the most so no, i dont want to see rangers go bust cos the rivalry, competition etc with them is everything.
That doesnt mean they shouldnt be punished by the book if & when administration comes.
I do concede though to mantain same level of ticket sales, tv money etc if rangers went bust celtic would have to join another league.
Cant see FIFA etc ever allowing that in my lifetime though

Can't argue with any of that.

banterman86, on 02 February 2012 - 14:23, said:

Perhaps - it just depends, if Celtic are playing dcenet football and winning things the support may not care that we're not trying to sign middle of the road premiership strikers



it would - Celtic-Hearts would presumably ebcome a fiery fixture, and the gap would shrink fairly quickly if Celtic cut their cloth accordingly. i think there's currently a 17 point gap between 1st and 3rd? But how many times the size is Celtic;s budget to Motherwells? How could Celtic justify keeping it that big?

At least we're all in agreement that Celtic would downsize. I was getting the impression that some Celtic fans think without Rangers everything would carry on as normal and it would be rosy in the garden for years to come.

As has been pointed out before, Rangers won't go bust anyway.

[youngsy]

Erin Go Bragh, on 02 February 2012 - 13:43, said:

I wouldn't be so smug if I was a Celtic fan.

If Rangers went to the wall then your lot would be absolutely fucked soon enough as well. The SPL is tedious enough with two clubs going for the title every year, will you lot take great satisfaction from winning against 11 teams who can't afford to compete with you? Will TV companies pay to watch Celtic v club 10 times smaller than Celtic every weekend? Will your fans even stick around to watch your team lift the title when some of your players get paid more than entire bottom six squads?

Celtic and Rangers are absolutely defined by their rivalry with eachother, it's the first and only thing you're famous for. If Rangers go up shit creek I'll give Celtic five years before they follow them.

You're correct about Rangers and Celtic needing the rivalry of each other to give credibility to this league in maintaining a competitiveness,even if that competion has only two teams with a chance of any real success. Where you're wrong though is about Rangers going to the wall.that will not happen. The club will more than likely enter administration just as other clubs have done,in Scotland and England, but even if or when Rangers do enter adminstration they will still be the only club to offer up a realistic challenge to Celtic. That's just a fact of football in Scotland.

[youngsy]

Erin Go Bragh, on 02 February 2012 - 14:33, said:

Can't argue with any of that.



At least we're all in agreement that Celtic would downsize. I was getting the impression that some Celtic fans think without Rangers everything would carry on as normal and it would be rosy in the garden for years to come.

As has been pointed out before, Rangers won't go bust anyway.

Wish you had put this post up before i started mine. Would have saved me.

[the 67]

Erin Go Bragh, on 02 February 2012 - 14:07, said:

You've missed the point. Say I'm wrong and Celtic remain financially healthy for years to come without Rangers around (I agree that Rangers won't disappear, but I was replying to the OP's grave dancing comments), the reality is that Celtic would scoop up nearly every trophy there is in Scotland every year. That's not interesting for anyone really, i think supporting Celtic with no rivals or competitors would be an extremely boring existance. I'd say many fans would stop bothering.

BTW I think the idea of Celtic and/or Rangers joining another league is pure and utter fantasy. IMO one day there'll be a big gay European League for all the plastic clubs in Europe to play in, but in today's game Celtic wouldn't be near the top tier of that.



Christ, I'm guessing you're around 28 years old?

Brilliant observation, Hibs are in a dire situation (as are Hearts off the field). The difference is that as bad as we are (which BTW I'm not sure why you brought it up, it has nothing to do with my point), Hibs can always aspire to improve and challenge at a higher level. With our current board that looks unlikely, but whilst there's even a glimmer of hope we having something to play for.

Celtic and Rangers are already below a glass ceiling, they gobbled up every last penny Scottish football has to offer them. Take away the tedious two team competition between them and there's nothing left whatsoever. Give me a straight yes or no answer, if Rangers went bust tommorow and Celtic strolled the next 10 titles by 30 points, would you find each title dead exciting?

Edit: The67, if you're talking about Celtic dominating because Rangers are there but they're just shit, I can see the appeal for Celtic because there's a similiar sized club there to gloat at. The OP is hoping for Rangers to fold, which is idiotic and would be bad news for Celtic IMO.

That's exactly whit I'm talking about....role reversal from the 90's....rangers will be there but unable to mount a serious challenge for at least a good few seasons...but like I said there would be downsizing on a big scale if we were strolling unchallenged to titles.....Rangers will still exist...they would just have there hands tied financially....i think to suggest they would be gone or defunct is ludicrous.