[TFTIFKNFA]

If I were an Ayr fan I would be looking to the Board to tell this guy to away and take a flying feck to himself, I honestly feel he made a fool of the fans by promising to make a £30k "donation" to get them to the Cup Final, then sticks a video of himself and some "burd" on spouting about Super Ayr's trip to Hampton Park.
I am a Killie fan, and I want Ayr back in the SPL, not relegated to Div2, cut the prices, get fans back into Somerset ( well the bits that are safe), get back full time and up that table, there were approx 8,500 "Ayr fans" there on Saturday, surely it is not too much to get 2500 to come on a regular basis if the product and price are right.

[jagfox]

How's the debt levels getting on at Rugby park?

[Bigmouth Strikes Again]

I thought this was another thread about Gavin Rae, albeit a dyslexic one.

[TFTIFKNFA]

jagfox, on 30 January 2012 - 13:52, said:

How's the debt levels getting on at Rugby park?

Going down every year, a bit like the standard of player donning the awful colours of your diddy team

[MTJ]

jagfox, on 30 January 2012 - 13:52, said:

How's the debt levels getting on at Rugby park?

Cringe.

[ayrmad]

TFTIFKNFA, on 30 January 2012 - 13:37, said:

If I were an Ayr fan I would be looking to the Board to tell this guy to away and take a flying feck to himself, I honestly feel he made a fool of the fans by promising to make a £30k "donation" to get them to the Cup Final, then sticks a video of himself and some "burd" on spouting about Super Ayr's trip to Hampton Park.
I am a Killie fan, and I want Ayr back in the SPL, not relegated to Div2, cut the prices, get fans back into Somerset ( well the bits that are safe), get back full time and up that table, there were approx 8,500 "Ayr fans" there on Saturday, surely it is not too much to get 2500 to come on a regular basis if the product and price are right.

Unfortunately Ayr fans need any gee up they can get at the moment, delusional,promotional or otherwise, try thinking back to your relegation to 3rd division and you'll understand what I mean.

[TFTIFKNFA]

Ayrmad, I was not trying to be smug.

I was genuinely disappointed that we did not get the rip roaring derby that everyone really wanted, both teams at each others throats, etc.... it was dull and while I celebrated with others our passage into the final, I would have preferred a real threat.

you're right though, I was at Palmerston on that day when we thought our world was ending, but it was the start of the recovery, we would not have been where we are now had Clyde not been awarded that 99th minute penalty, but what Fleeting did was invest in true quality( Tommy Burns), thereafter we had individuals wanting to be a part of everything Killie.....not sure that there are any Scottish Icons such as TB in the game now, so who do Ayr turn to? not sure but I really dont see Mr Ayre as your saviour. You need a Player/Manager who will lead and direct some of the youngsters, money in Scottish is disappearing like snow aff a dyke, this could be good as Ayr are an old stalwart club and hopefully will "recruit" someone with the guile and skill to lead them forward.

[ayrmad]

TFTIFKNFA, on 30 January 2012 - 14:51, said:

Ayrmad, I was not trying to be smug.

I was genuinely disappointed that we did not get the rip roaring derby that everyone really wanted, both teams at each others throats, etc.... it was dull and while I celebrated with others our passage into the final, I would have preferred a real threat.

you're right though, I was at Palmerston on that day when we thought our world was ending, but it was the start of the recovery, we would not have been where we are now had Clyde not been awarded that 99th minute penalty, but what Fleeting did was invest in true quality( Tommy Burns), thereafter we had individuals wanting to be a part of everything Killie.....not sure that there are any Scottish Icons such as TB in the game now, so who do Ayr turn to? not sure but I really dont see Mr Ayre as your saviour. You need a Player/Manager who will lead and direct some of the youngsters, money in Scottish is disappearing like snow aff a dyke, this could be good as Ayr are an old stalwart club and hopefully will "recruit" someone with the guile and skill to lead them forward.

I never thought you were being smug, I used Killie in the 3rd as they were on there arse with little interest at that time.

Fleeting done an amazing job from nothing, shop income went fron something ridiculous like 20k per year to over £1m in a short space of time IIRC.

Unfortunately Ayr don't appear to do imaginative or speculative.

This post has been edited by ayrmad: 30 January 2012 - 15:02

[itzdrk]

So your slating calvin ayre. for giving ayr money that we didnt spend..till today, looking at your post it should be titled brian reid, its clearly who your derby disapointment is aimed at or possibly you wish your sponsor had a similar interest?

[TFTIFKNFA]

our sponsor (Lloyds I think) have been extremely good with supplying us with pennies, otherwise their would be no Heff, Shiels, Nelson, Gordon, Van Tornhout or even Kilmarnock FC for that matter.

it does surprise me some, in fact a helluva lot, that CA had actually given £30k to Ayr United for it to sit there in the accounts without the bank thinking, "well if their not going to spend it we may as well take it off the debt".

As I said earlier, I want an Ayr that are a threat to us, that give me a fear of facing, Saturday was a non event, nothing more. And I even proposed a route for Ayr to progress by getting a big name player manager, now THAT would be a good gesture by Mr Ayre.

[ayrmad]

TFTIFKNFA, on 30 January 2012 - 16:22, said:

our sponsor (Lloyds I think) have been extremely good with supplying us with pennies, otherwise their would be no Heff, Shiels, Nelson, Gordon, Van Tornhout or even Kilmarnock FC for that matter.

it does surprise me some, in fact a helluva lot, that CA had actually given £30k to Ayr United for it to sit there in the accounts without the bank thinking, "well if their not going to spend it we may as well take it off the debt".

As I said earlier, I want an Ayr that are a threat to us, that give me a fear of facing, Saturday was a non event, nothing more. And I even proposed a route for Ayr to progress by getting a big name player manager, now THAT would be a good gesture by Mr Ayre.

We don't owe the bank, don't know if that is a blessing or not though in respect of us twiddling our thumbs instead of seriously pursuing players with this cash.

[D.Armour Appreciation Society]

TFTIFKNFA, on 30 January 2012 - 16:22, said:

it does surprise me some, in fact a helluva lot, that CA had actually given £30k to Ayr United for it to sit there in the accounts without the bank thinking, "well if their not going to spend it we may as well take it off the debt".

Ayr United, as of June 2010, had zero outstanding to ANY Bank.

Found it galling that the second best player on the Park on Saturday ( Gordon ) was a Loan player, IMO Clubs that are in the RED should not be allowed to enhance their ( false ) position by signing Loan Players, and I include Ayr United in that.

[The big chair]

D.Armour Appreciation Society, on 30 January 2012 - 16:33, said:

Ayr United, as of June 2010, had zero outstanding to ANY Bank.

Found it galling that the second best player on the Park on Saturday ( Gordon ) was a Loan player, IMO Clubs that are in the RED should not be allowed to enhance their ( false ) position by signing Loan Players, and I include Ayr United in that.

[Iain]

Do we actually know if Ayr got any money from Ayre this month? The article on his site seemed to suggest that if they found a player he would provide the money?

[flood]

jagfox, on 30 January 2012 - 13:52, said:

How's the debt levels getting on at Rugby park?

Thanks for asking. Our bank debt - as of the middle of last year is approximately £8.4m, down from a total of about £13M a few years ago. (Not the £17.4m that someone on honest page quoted in a post game rant at the weekend!!). Our annual turnover is also about £7.5M so the outlook is not as bad as some would think...

The debt is getting paid off and will likely be reduced this year further following at least 1 Cup Final appearances and another good finish hopefully in the SPL. We have also paid our taxes and debts regularly so do not cheat unlike some others in the SPL I could mention

Unlike some clubs, such as ayr, who spunked big wages on expensive players, a lot of our debt is from upgrading our ground and building a 4 star hotel in our ground. These things are called assets. I am pretty sure that our future will be OK. I will through in Cocard here before I get shot down..

As someone else mentioned, I would love ayr to be in the SPL,and be a real rival to us. I just do not see that happening anytime soon. Hopefully I will be proved wrong as I have friends and neighbours who support Ayr.

[vikingTON]

flood, on 30 January 2012 - 18:21, said:

The debt is getting paid off and will likely be reduced this year further

Being economical with the truth. I seem to recall that your reduction in debt has far more to do with creditors writing it off than actual profits paying the debt down. Hardly a classic business model in action.

This post has been edited by vikingTON: 30 January 2012 - 18:33

[flood]

vikingTON, on 30 January 2012 - 18:33, said:

Being economical with the truth. I seem to recall that your reduction in debt has far more to do with creditors writing it off than actual profits paying the debt down. Hardly a classic business model in action.

Jamie Moffat wrote off a sum of £1M in 2009/2010.

Bank debt is at £8.4M, debt to Jamie Moffat is about £1M, but is more a bank guarantee. Will probably get written off as the debts go down.

Player sales such as Naismith, Sammon & Bryson working debt down much more than Moffats write off.

[Cliche Guevara]

vikingTON, on 30 January 2012 - 18:33, said:

Being economical with the truth. I seem to recall that your reduction in debt has far more to do with creditors writing it off than actual profits paying the debt down. Hardly a classic business model in action.

It does sound familiar though.

[AUFC Somerset]

flood, on 30 January 2012 - 18:39, said:

Jamie Moffat wrote off a sum of £1M in 2009/2010.

Bank debt is at £8.4M, debt to Jamie Moffat is about £1M, but is more a bank guarantee. Will probably get written off as the debts go down.

Player sales such as Naismith, Sammon & Bryson working debt down much more than Moffats write off.

Didn't about half your debt get written off last year?

[flood]

AUFC Somerset, on 30 January 2012 - 19:25, said:

Didn't about half your debt get written off last year?

Eh, no. By who?

[AUFC Somerset]

flood, on 30 January 2012 - 19:27, said:

Eh, no. By who?

Not half but I read somewhere that quite a bit of your debt was written off, apologies if it's not true though.

[flood]

Jamie Moffat wrote off £1M when our debt was about £10M, 2 years ago or so.

I am pretty good at maths. That isn't half

[AUFC Somerset]

flood, on 30 January 2012 - 19:34, said:

Jamie Moffat wrote off £1M when our debt was about £10M, 2 years ago or so.

I am pretty good at maths. That isn't half

Ever thought it might have been someone else? I'm not even saying it's true but I'm sure I read it somewhere.

[flood]

AUFC Somerset, on 30 January 2012 - 19:39, said:

Ever thought it might have been someone else? I'm not even saying it's true but I'm sure I read it somewhere.

No other write off.
You can easily check the audited accounts if you wish!

Now what type of club would not be able to get accounts signed off........

[itzdrk]

Id still rather have 0 debt to anything outwith aufc and be self sustaining as opposed to relying on selling players and having some debt written off