[burgh tim]

how the hell can a referee say a game is on at 10 o clock and after 3 hours sunshine call it off at 1 o clock when people have already travelled many miles to game. have these people no one to answer to? thats twice in 3 weeks for musselburgh. only 2 professions get away wi that. bankers and wankers[referees].

[Stormrelic]

Sounds about right lol , carluke's friendly was put off today by the ref after 2 full games had been played on the pitch in the morning & those refs said it was playable , both teams wanted to play but the ref didn't , think they have too much power these days .

[Hidden Toon]

That's an easy one (I'll not even take my "Phone A Friend")

What you have to do is get away from the "All Referees are b*****ds who only want to spoil a game" mindset. Referees give of their time to do a thankless job because, like us, they love football.

Now, on a day like today when they're called out to inspect a pitch, regardless whether they're a match Referee or a local guy, their intention is for a game to go ahead.

If they call off a game it's because it's dangerous for players or spectators.

At, say, 10am a pitch may look crap, definite game off, but the Ref may decide to give it time to thaw out...so he doesn't call off the game thinking the pitch may improve and the game may go ahead.

Now, I don't know what it's like in "The Honest Toun", but in the "Hidden" one it's bloody freezing.

I'd imagine a pitch that looked like it may thaw enough for a game to go ahead would keep the icy patches and at 1pm the Ref, match Ref now, may say "If a player gets injured on an icy pitch after I've said it's playable I could actually get Jail time if the HSE pursues that. Game's off".

It pisses me off, too...I'd rather be at Paties Road than typing crap at a PC...but it's Scotland and we have to expect inclement weather

[burgh tim]

Hidden Toon, on 28 January 2012 - 15:40, said:

That's an easy one (I'll not even take my "Phone A Friend")

What you have to do is get away from the "All Referees are b*****ds who only want to spoil a game" mindset. Referees give of their time to do a thankless job because, like us, they love football.

Now, on a day like today when they're called out to inspect a pitch, regardless whether they're a match Referee or a local guy, their intention is for a game to go ahead.

If they call off a game it's because it's dangerous for players or spectators.

At, say, 10am a pitch may look crap, definite game off, but the Ref may decide to give it time to thaw out...so he doesn't call off the game thinking the pitch may improve and the game may go ahead.

Now, I don't know what it's like in "The Honest Toun", but in the "Hidden" one it's bloody freezing.

I'd imagine a pitch that looked like it may thaw enough for a game to go ahead would keep the icy patches and at 1pm the Ref, match Ref now, may say "If a player gets injured on an icy pitch after I've said it's playable I could actually get Jail time if the HSE pursues that. Game's off".

It pisses me off, too...I'd rather be at Paties Road than typing crap at a PC...but it's Scotland and we have to expect inclement weather

you must be a referee then? obviously got too much money and no sense. i'm a punter who does not like spending money on a wild goose chase. i will ask again. how is it playable at 10 and after 3 hours of sunshine unplayable at1? beggars belief. serious reply please.
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[Hidden Toon]

Ah, you can't read. That makes things difficult, I imagine.

Ask someone to explain my post to you

[burgh tim]

Hidden Toon, on 28 January 2012 - 16:19, said:

Ah, you can't read. That makes things difficult, I imagine.

Ask someone to explain my post to you

i can read quite well. you never answered my question. shall i rephrase it for you since you are obviously not very bright? your comment shows no consideration for the travelling fan. didnt know they had computers in the wards in herdman flat.

[Hidden Toon]

You asked a question, I answered it...obviously not to your liking (Too many capitals and too much punctuation?).

You're obviously one of those knuckle draggers who just wants to come on here to spout some crap about Referees being arseholes (Takes one to know one? Interesting concept) and to argue with anyone who may have commonsense.

Now, I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with you.

[burgh tim]

Hidden Toon, on 28 January 2012 - 16:47, said:

You asked a question, I answered it...obviously not to your liking (Too many capitals and too much punctuation?).

You're obviously one of those knuckle draggers who just wants to come on here to spout some crap about Referees being arseholes (Takes one to know one? Interesting concept) and to argue with anyone who may have commonsense.

Now, I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with you.

I WILL PUT IT IN CAPITALS FOR YOU. YER A BELL END OF THE LOWEST ORDER.

[Blairwood]

Was it the same ref that did the morning ins at kelty that later put it off or was it a local ref as all other games were called of early in fife (except dundonald) may thought it would have defrosted but early post says park was partly frozen need to think more about traveling teams and fans

[gogsy]

There wasn't anything wrong with the pitch.


"From Kelty Hearts website.

Todays game against Musselburgh has been postponed by the match referee, The pitch is in perfect playing condition but behind the touchline its a bit hard and for the safety of the linesmen the game has been called off.
Kelty offered to grit the lines to make it playable but the ref didnt want to know."

[Blairwood]

That was not my post was it the match ref that put it on in the morning if not they all have a diffrent opinion onwhats playable and not but always safety first

[groundhopper]

Hidden Toon, on 28 January 2012 - 15:40, said:

That's an easy one (I'll not even take my "Phone A Friend")

What you have to do is get away from the "All Referees are b*****ds who only want to spoil a game" mindset. Referees give of their time to do a thankless job because, like us, they love football.

Now, on a day like today when they're called out to inspect a pitch, regardless whether they're a match Referee or a local guy, their intention is for a game to go ahead.

If they call off a game it's because it's dangerous for players or spectators.

At, say, 10am a pitch may look crap, definite game off, but the Ref may decide to give it time to thaw out...so he doesn't call off the game thinking the pitch may improve and the game may go ahead.

Now, I don't know what it's like in "The Honest Toun", but in the "Hidden" one it's bloody freezing.

I'd imagine a pitch that looked like it may thaw enough for a game to go ahead would keep the icy patches and at 1pm the Ref, match Ref now, may say "If a player gets injured on an icy pitch after I've said it's playable I could actually get Jail time if the HSE pursues that. Game's off".

It pisses me off, too...I'd rather be at Paties Road than typing crap at a PC...but it's Scotland and we have to expect inclement weather

I think what you're saying here is fine in theory - but it's not what's happening and I think that's what's really hacking folk off more & more.

We're getting games called off when pitches are clearly playable and not dangerous to anyone. From all accounts today, Beith may have been playable and was called off very late, Kello was playable and was called off extremely late and the Kelty pitch was playable and the ref refused to allow the one strip off-pitch where a linesman was to run to be gritted to get the game on. How ironic and ridiculous that so many Junior (and other non-league) games go ahead without ANY linesmen.

And a game gets called off when TWO games have already been played on that all weather pitch already that day ?? Come on.

This is really getting farcical and the suggestion that ref's have too much power sounds just about right. Of course it's good guys go into this job that so many folk wouldn't fancy but if you do that, you have to have what it takes to do the job and not call games off after great effort and expense by folk who are trying to get the game on and who see a playable pitch condemed.

Not sure that the powers that be give a damn, I have E-mailed twice about the fiasco at Saltcoats on December 17th but (surprise, surprise) no one's been good enough to even acknowledge my E-mails.

I have every sympathy for the vast majority of refs but not the minority who are not up to the job.

[Larky55]

Stormrelic, on 28 January 2012 - 15:32, said:

Sounds about right lol , carluke's friendly was put off today by the ref after 2 full games had been played on the pitch in the morning & those refs said it was playable , both teams wanted to play but the ref didn't , think they have too much power these days .

[Larky55]

Did you's play a training game, as the pitch was already hired & the lads had travelled from Lugar?

[Stormrelic]

Larky55, on 28 January 2012 - 19:43, said:

Did you's play a training game, as the pitch was already hired & the lads had travelled from Lugar?

Nope , bounce games are against the rules & both clubs could have been fined £200 for having one , we just had a couple hours training on one half & lugar had the other half of the pitch to train for an hour or so .

[Larky55]

Not so bad both teams at least got some work done. Why did the ref cancell the match, was the surface slippy?

[Stormrelic]

Larky55, on 28 January 2012 - 21:41, said:

Not so bad both teams at least got some work done. Why did the ref cancell the match, was the surface slippy?

Light frosty covering of snow but most of it had gone after the first 2 games , ref said he couldn't see the lines which was mad as they had been cleared for the first game .

[tamthebam]

gogsy, on 28 January 2012 - 17:43, said:

There wasn't anything wrong with the pitch.


"From Kelty Hearts website.

Todays game against Musselburgh has been postponed by the match referee, The pitch is in perfect playing condition but behind the touchline its a bit hard and for the safety of the linesmen the game has been called off.
Kelty offered to grit the lines to make it playable but the ref didnt want to know."

alas, we live in litiguous times, where people can sue for all sorts of things. Had the game gone ahead and the linesman slipped and hurt his bum I dare say he could have sued Kelty Hearts or the SFA for not taking the appropriate action to protect his well being.

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[Bankie]

Got to be a record

17 posts on a thread slating referres and no sign of Supras yet

[rover]

In days gone by Refs would leave the decision up to the players and mangement of both teams if to play but now it is easy money as they get paid wether the game is on or not

[MUSSEYBOY]

Its fair enough to say a referee called a game off for behind the line or what ever the problem was - but why didnt the morning referee call the game off for that?

If he was giving it a chance fair doos but surely before the visiting team travelled a second inspection or a call from someone to say it aint got better should happen?

Why dont the referees who inspect the pitches referee on them?

Who does the clubs claim back expenses from?

Who do the fans claim back expenses from?

Any outsider looking in might think that something is going on - Kelty, Kinnoull all called off by the match ref - Carnoustie - called off by Linlithgow, Fofar trip enough said
Then there is last season Hill of Beath 30 minutes before

And then we look at who was in charge and all the answers become clear, Mr Newtongrange himself, Mr Tried to call a game off because the lines werent white enough minutes before the start of another match this season.

Thankfully I dont think he has it in for them, they are more than capable without his help.

[lithgierose]

more to the point.why are you lying down to the mcglyn wagon

[JockT]

tamthebam, on 28 January 2012 - 22:36, said:

alas, we live in litiguous times, where people can sue for all sorts of things. Had the game gone ahead and the linesman slipped and hurt his bum I dare say he could have sued Kelty Hearts or the SFA for not taking the appropriate action to protect his well being.

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Point taken however the only way the linesman...assistant ref would have slipped was if he/she was wearing ballet pumps !!! look I know we need refs.. and we need to respect refs... but they (REFS) need to respect back.. to committee guys who work there balls off to get a game on...two teams who want to play.... there was not a chance in hell of anyone gettin hurt at Kelty today PC gone mad again and me for one is getting really PISSED OFFF with resf being so effin high and mighty and still stealing money from us... he took £43,00 .......
.rant over

[kefc]

Nae wonder they dont mind if games are on or not getting weighed in with that kind of money. This has been happening for a few seasons now, they would prefer to have no game and get paid plain and simple.
The majority are not football people and dont understand that the supporters, players, committes and management prepare all week for a game mentaly physically and financially.

This needs to be looked at now, i would be embarrased picking up money for callng a game off, they should make it no game no fee.

This post has been edited by kefc: 29 January 2012 - 08:52

[Larky55]

Has a referee ever postponed a match & forfeited his match fee?