[Enrico Annoni]

Let's just say the vote on our independence from the union was held next week.

I know we have a on going discussion on another thread, but like me, cant be bothered reading through it all, so lets just have a mini P&B referendum

How would you vote, and why?


Confirmed Autumn 2014 for the referendum on independence

This post has been edited by Enrico Annoni: 10 January 2012 - 18:24

[uni]

Yes to full Independence. Cannot be arsed elaborating as I'm sure xbl will arrive with an essay which will probably point out the reason why.

[SaltyTON]

Full independence, but not a president. Unnecessary expense, which costs the Americans tens of millions per year keeping their old ones in the lap of luxury.

[Sooky]

I voted no, I wish to stay part of the Union.

That's not saying that I can't be swayed though, I assure you that I can. However, at the moment I want to keep it like it is.

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[xbl]

I'll have some independence please.

[Gordon EF]

SaltyTON, on 09 January 2012 - 17:35, said:

Full independence, but not a president. Unnecessary expense, which costs the Americans tens of millions per year keeping their old ones in the lap of luxury.

We could just, you know, not keep them in the lap of luxury. I know this is dragging the thread off topic pretty quickly but a monarchy is morally disgusting and isn't necessarily cheaper or better than an elected head of state.

[Desert Nomad]

Full independence, even more so with a Tory government in power at Westminster.

[Swampy]

Full independence. Border guards at Gretna as well if they get fancy uniforms like the Swiss Guard or beefeaters.

[Swampy]

Gordon EF, on 09 January 2012 - 17:38, said:

We could just, you know, not keep them in the lap of luxury. I know this is dragging the thread off topic pretty quickly but a monarchy is morally disgusting and isn't necessarily cheaper or better than an elected head of state.

Yes, this. I'm disappointed that the SNP want to retain the monarchy but I'm convinced that post-independence a republican feeling will develop very, very quickly.

[doulikefish]

Swampy, on 09 January 2012 - 17:49, said:

Full independence. Border guards at Gretna as well if they get fancy uniforms like the Swiss Guard or beefeaters.

No eastenders and ill be swayed

[The Taxman]

Full independence. Mainly to have our own Foreign Policy so we don't have to send any troops to get slaughtered for f**k all.


Border patrols and machine guns anywhere near Gretna would be an added bonus.

[Milevskiy]

Totally against it but I think it will happen

[ffcsam]

Yes to independence. Also make it law that Gingers must get their hole on a weekly basis. *club Tropicana seems a good starting point

[Tryfield]

Desert Nomad, on 09 January 2012 - 17:39, said:

Full independence, even more so with a Tory government in power at Westminster.

If the people of Scotland vote for independence, Westminster will be permanently Tory, not that that will matter up here.

I could be swayed towards Devo Max but never full independence without knowing what currency we'd be using, what our credit rating would be( because a new set-up is gonna need plenty credit) and the bigger picture of trade. If we could be like Norway and Switzerland without the burden of Brussels, then again, I'd mull it over.

It will all depend on the questions and how many there are, I can't see independence happening though.

[Long live the 69]

Yes, too many reasons to list i'm afraid.

[The big chair]

Full independence, but I could be swayed towards devo-max if someone can explain why London wants to hold on to Scotland. If they have to subsidise us as much as they claim you'd think they'd be rushing to get us off the books.

[ICTJohnboy]

Full independence.

I'd hate to see us (Scotland) dragged into another unnecessary middle east war, when the next war-mongering president takes over in the US.

Also completely pissed off wish some old Etonian asshole, who has a mandate in Scotland for f**k-all, trying to tell us what the terms of the referendum will be and when it should take place.

[Ad Lib]

I've said devo-max but I'd caveat that by saying it would have to be genuinely full fiscal autonomy rather than just "more tax powers". If it's not real devo-max then I'm a yes to indy.

[Deeboy]

No.

[oht]

I'm up for anything that can be shown to improve Scotland's lot, particularly for the bottom 25% that have been screwed by the decline of manufacturing.

Devo-max feels like the best route to me. Tax-raising powers so we manage our own budget and put an end to the England subsidy lie. Scotland-England relations will get even worse otherwise. However, that's conditional on us getting c. 90% of the oil revenues (and 10% of the debt if that needs split).

Independence - I like the principle of it, but it feels to me like we end up surrendering economic control compared to devo-max. If we go Euro, we end up with European technocrats telling us what we can and can't do with our budget. If we stay pound, Bank of England has even less need to care about what's happening in Scotland than they do currently.

Is it still the plan to have a referendum in principle and then a referendum after the negotiations (if the first vote was for independence)?

[orlandoblue]

Remain in the union, though as I've previously discussed on P&B you will never get a balanced result on any matter that involves 'the English' in any way.

[Swampy]

I've just been informed that this poll is binding so please vote carefully.

[Hedgecutter]

doulikefish, on 09 January 2012 - 17:53, said:

No eastenders and ill be swayed

I remember reading about an English elderly couple years back who moved to Scotland all because Down South TV cancelled High Road. Tragic really.

[xbl]

orlandoblue, on 09 January 2012 - 19:02, said:

Remain in the union, though as I've previously discussed on P&B you will never get a balanced result on any matter that involves 'the English' in any way.

What do you mean by this?

[Swampy]

orlandoblue, on 09 January 2012 - 19:02, said:

Remain in the union, though as I've previously discussed on P&B you will never get a balanced result on any matter that involves 'the English' in any way.

I have nothing of value to contribute