[Ally1988]

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<LI> entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee's permission

Shows how shite the ref was then, waved a Morton sub off the park and told him to re-enter on his command but didn't show a caution. Terrible refereeing, hope his supervisor took note and he is demoted accordingly. Stevie O'Reilly is the worst ref I've seen since we were spared Willie Collum by his inexplicaple rapid promotion.

As for taking up kickboxing VT, if you pop along too then I'm sure there will be thousands signing up

This post has been edited by Ally1988: 04 January 2012 - 18:21

[vikingTON]

ayrmad, on 04 January 2012 - 17:44, said:

Has he disproved us all yet?

This could be a long wait.

Excessive force you say?

Oh dear. You have already been proven wrong: your continued fact-free presence is nothing more than scrambling for relevanc,e as usual, from yourself.

Ally1988, on 04 January 2012 - 18:20, said:

As for taking up kickboxing VT, if you pop along too then I'm sure there will be thousands signing up

I'll stick with the football seeing as unlike the entire Ayr support I'm aware of the rules.

[ayrmad]

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent

[Magnethead]

vikingTON, on 04 January 2012 - 21:03, said:

I'll stick with the football

^^^^Keyboard hardman^^^^

Ya big shitebag

[vikingTON]

Not sure where you're attempting to go with this. If a player fails to take the ball with a challenge and connects with the player instead, then he either did it deliberately, or it was by definition, 'careless', or 'reckless'.

It's very straightforward, the referee found it so and it's no surprise to see that the only ones bitching and whining about it are the same handful of delusional Ayr fans who aren't aware of the Laws of the Game.

[vikingTON]

Magnethead, on 04 January 2012 - 21:33, said:

^^^^Keyboard hardman^^^^

Ya big shitebag

^^^ scrambling for relevance

[Magnethead]

vikingTON, on 04 January 2012 - 21:35, said:

^^^ scrambling for relevance

^^^^ sobbing uncontrolably

[vikingTON]

Magnethead, on 04 January 2012 - 21:38, said:

^^^^ sobbing uncontrolably

^^^ doing it wrong

[Hotelandywalker]

VT - you genuinely seem to believe that your own naive/pathetically stupid interpretation of the rules posted earlier, coupled with the rest of your spouted bile, makes you correct and everybody else wrong. Nowhere in your posted rules does it state that football is a non-contact sport. Only a complete idiot, especially someone who claims to watch football regularly, would claim it to be so. Have you ever thought of becoming a senior referee, you'd fit right in with the crowd that perform that duty at the moment. Just think of all the respect you'd command (in your head) with your shiny whistle and bright coloured cards and you wouldn't need to learn to swim either

[vikingTON]

Hotelandywalker, on 04 January 2012 - 22:03, said:

VT - you genuinely seem to believe that your own naive/pathetically stupid interpretation of the rules posted earlier, coupled with the rest of your spouted bile, makes you correct and everybody else wrong.

In what way is my interpretation incorrect? The rules entirely cover contact, and its illegality when tackling.

It's not even requiring interpretation: the fouls are listed accordingly.

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Nowhere in your posted rules does it state that football is a non-contact sport.

Applying the rules necessitates that football isn't a contact sport. If you make contact in an attempt to win the ball then it is a foul, as shown in Rule 12.

This is completely different from contact sports, like rugby, where contacting the player is a legitimate means of winning the possession.

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Have you ever thought of becoming a senior referee, you'd fit right in with the crowd that perform that duty at the moment.

No, as much as you all seem increasingly desperate for me to try my hand at something else, I'm happy to stand every week, watch Morton win and then easily dismantle your 'back in my day' nonsense regarding how the game should be officiated.

This post has been edited by vikingTON: 04 January 2012 - 22:09

[Somerset Dreaming]

vikingTON, on 04 January 2012 - 21:03, said:

Oh dear. You have already been proven wrong: your continued fact-free presence is nothing more than scrambling for relevanc,e as usual, from yourself.

I'll stick with the football seeing as unlike the entire Ayr support I'm aware of the rules.

^^^^^^ scrambling for relevance

[Hotelandywalker]

Just in case (I'm starting to think this must be the case) you are unaware of any of these contacts happening VT at your beloved Cappielow ...

Goalkeeper: almost impossible for him to come for a corner and punch clear without first touching attackers in his crowded penalty box. Keepers coming to clear the ball outside their box almost always follow through into the path of an attacker without committing a foul.

Defence: touch marking at set pieces is an important means of maintaining a positional advantage and keep goalside of attackers. A small defender jumping between a taller attacker and the ball to prevent him getting a clean header is a defensive skill rather than a foul.

Midfield: well timed 50-50 tackles always end up with contact being made legally after the ball is away. Winning a ball with a slide tackle and your momentum carrying you into an opponent wasn't a foul, but appears to be getting stamped out by referees this season (as was the case for Ayr on Monday at Cappielow!!!).

Attack: fending off opponents using reasonable force with your arms to keep possession is not a foul. Using your hips to shield the ball is a skill that Kenny Dalglish made legendary. Creating space for a clear header from a corner by making a run that allows your team mate to legitimately block off your marker is common practice. Using your arms/hips to create space in a wall from a free-kick is not a foul.

How many times do you think a player makes contact with his opponents unpunished during a game? Have you never seen an accidental collision before when two opposing players make contact? Anyway, away back and bury your head in your rule book ...

[vikingTON]

Hotelandywalker, on 04 January 2012 - 23:15, said:

Midfield: well timed 50-50 tackles always end up with contact being made legally after the ball is away. Winning a ball with a slide tackle and your momentum carrying you into an opponent wasn't a foul, but appears to be getting stamped out by referees this season (as was the case for Ayr on Monday at Cappielow!!!).

None of the Ayr bookings involved winning the ball, sit down.

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How many times do you think a player makes contact with his opponents unpunished during a game? Have you never seen an accidental collision before when two opposing players make contact? Anyway, away back and bury your head in your rule book ...

None of this makes it a contact sport. I seem to recall stating that a challenge that does not win the ball but infringes the player is a foul. A challenge that wins the ball and does not infringe the player is perfectly fair. The referees decide this according to Rule 12, which renders all of your bullshitting irrelevant.

[Hotelandywalker]

vikingTON, on 04 January 2012 - 23:23, said:

None of the Ayr bookings involved winning the ball, sit down.



None of this makes it a contact sport. I seem to recall stating that a challenge that does not win the ball but infringes the player is a foul. A challenge that wins the ball and does not infringe the player is perfectly fair. The referees decide this according to Rule 12, which renders all of your bullshitting irrelevant.

So what you really meant to say was that football is an "infringement free sport" - if it allowed "infringements" then football wouldn't be a sport yah numpty! Like it or not football is a "contact sport" as was pointed out in a previous quote and renders all your bullshitting irrelevant. None of my "contact" examples above commit infringents under Rule 12.

Ayr had plenty more bad decisions than just the bookings, so I will stand up. Morton were no different to Ayr in their game play ... competitive but fair.

More bad news ... synchronised swimming is actually a contact sport ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16409480

... so you'll need to find another sport. What about tiddlywinks?

Going by the action shot in that BBC link I think I might give that synchronised swimming a go

This post has been edited by Hotelandywalker: 05 January 2012 - 00:15

[ayrmad]

Six of the ten fouls (kick, trip, jump at, charge, strike, push) require the referee to evaluate how the act was committed. If, in the opinion of the referee, the action was careless, reckless or involved excessive force, the foul can then be whistled and play stopped (with various resulting penalties). Inadvertent or accidental actions should not be punished though the referee’s on-field decision may be that the “accidental” action may have been careless, therefore avoidable, and a foul may be called. The referee is in a unique position (on the field amongst the players) and has a vantage point that no others have to be able to judge a foul. Referees are charged with making almost instantaneous decisions about an action that occurs in the blink of an eye. Sometimes the referee may make no decision at all about an action that may have appeared to be an obvious foul to the casual spectator. The referee is applying his/her discretion in allowing play to continue in light of the fact that the foul to the opposing player had little resulting consequence (didn’t disadvantage or endanger).

The last part takes care of the fcukers that throw themselves down following the slightest of touches, in other words, the cheating cnuts.

[GiGi]

We'll be catching up on the Killie v Ayr thread in no time at this rate, both in the number of posts and quantity of tit for tat shite posted by the usual fucktards.

27+ pages for a routine league game at Cappielow.

Ayr United - serious business.

[Hotelandywalker]

GiGi, on 05 January 2012 - 03:58, said:

We'll be catching up on the Killie v Ayr thread in no time at this rate, both in the number of posts and quantity of tit for tat shite posted by the usual fucktards.

27+ pages for a routine league game at Cappielow.

Ayr United - serious business.

Getting drawn into a tit for tat with a King Canute stereotype ... I need to get back to work

[AyrshireTon]

First half was poor from our perspective. Ayr were first to every loose ball and closed us down very well. The opening goal was a bit of a screw-up, but on balance of play it was merited as we had been camped in our own half for a fair spell prior to it. We were very fortunate to be level at the break.

I said at HT that I presumed that Moore would tear a strip off them - this appeared to be the case. We had more of the second half, but it was far from all Morton. Kevin Cuthbert made some great one-on-one saves and it was no surprise that when we went in front that Campbell sent his shot higher than our earlier efforts - some swerve on it and really well struck.

Ayr pressed for the equaliser and Cervi made a fantastic save to keep us in front. We were always likely to pick them off on the break and really needed another goal (as a few around me remarked, Morton need to be 4-0 up with a minute left before you can really relax). DiGiacomo was in the right place and hopefully this will boost his confidence.

It was a decent enough game and good to have away fans in the Cowshed again - let's hope we can keep that up!

[Hotelandywalker]

AyrshireTon, on 05 January 2012 - 11:47, said:

First half was poor from our perspective. Ayr were first to every loose ball and closed us down very well. The opening goal was a bit of a screw-up, but on balance of play it was merited as we had been camped in our own half for a fair spell prior to it. We were very fortunate to be level at the break.

I said at HT that I presumed that Moore would tear a strip off them - this appeared to be the case. We had more of the second half, but it was far from all Morton. Kevin Cuthbert made some great one-on-one saves and it was no surprise that when we went in front that Campbell sent his shot higher than our earlier efforts - some swerve on it and really well struck.

Ayr pressed for the equaliser and Cervi made a fantastic save to keep us in front. We were always likely to pick them off on the break and really needed another goal (as a few around me remarked, Morton need to be 4-0 up with a minute left before you can really relax). DiGiacomo was in the right place and hopefully this will boost his confidence.

It was a decent enough game and good to have away fans in the Cowshed again - let's hope we can keep that up!

Agree with all of your post, maybe a bit underselling Morton's pressure in the 2nd half. The only thing I'd add is that Morton just about deserved their win in the end, although Ayr might've sneaked a point.

[AyrshireTon]

Hotelandywalker, on 05 January 2012 - 12:03, said:

Agree with all of your post, maybe a bit underselling Morton's pressure in the 2nd half. The only thing I'd add is that Morton just about deserved their win in the end, although Ayr might've sneaked a point.

I don't think I am underselling our pressure - Ayr still had a fair bit too. The difference was that in the second half we were able to get the ball off you more frequently and make more of our own possession. It would not have surprised me in the least if Ayr have gotten a point, though.

[bmccoll]

Cliche Guevara, on 30 December 2011 - 22:52, said:

Ah, come on now - none of that has anything to do with me. Tell us the Wartime Shield story again. Please!

edit: Actually when Ayr Parkhouse were kicked out for that season Aberdeen took our place, so perhaps justification for a pyramid system, or maybe just some context for your fucking lunacy. I don't know.

1914-15
WAR FUND SHIELD
First round
20 Oct Third Lanark v Rangers 0-4 (gate £117)
31 Oct Clyde v St Mirren 0-1 (at Ibrox) (3rd tie)
10 Nov Partick Thistle v Celtic 1-1 (6000)
1 Dec Celtic v Partick Thistle 2-1 (2000)
Morton v Queen’s Park

Semi final
15 Dec Rangers v Celtic 2-1 (at Firhill 10000)
Morton v St Mirren

Final
28 Apr Morton v Rangers 2-1 (at Firhill 15000)

[results of missing games most welcome]


1917-18
SCOTTISH LEAGUE WAR FUND
Qualifying round
9 Mar St Mirren v Kilmarnock 2-3 aet
30 Mar Morton v Third Lanark 3-1 (4000)
6 Apr Clydebank v Airdrieonians 2-1 (5000)

First round
20 Apr Celtic v Queen’s Park 2-1 (10000)
20 Apr Rangers v Partick Thistle 3-0 (10000)
20 Apr Morton v Kilmarnock 7-1
20 Apr Motherwell v Clydebank 1-2

Semi final
27 Apr Celtic v Clydebank 2-0 (10000)
27 Apr Rangers v Morton 1-3 (22000)

Final
4 May Celtic v Morton 1-0 (at Hampden 20000)

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