[DownTheA68]

Noticed on the Border Am website that HOL have been deducted 3 points by the BAFA. Anyone know why this is?

[dawg255]

Playin unregistered player. Couple of teams done for this and Hawick LR got docked 18 for playin 1 player 6 times without registering him.

[tubbytubthumper]

dawg255, on 12 December 2011 - 21:53, said:

Playin unregistered player. Couple of teams done for this and Hawick LR got docked 18 for playin 1 player 6 times without registering him.

Yeah that was a sore one for HLR. It is difficult when between the two teams we are dealing with around 50 lads so one slipped through the net. An honest mistake which maybe should have been picked up long before it did. There was no advantage being sought, however with this being part of the constitution it was unlikely to have had any other outcome. Disappointed for the Rovers boys, many of whom are young lads who will end up bottom of the league no matter what they do the rest of the season through no fault of their own. It would be good to move away from points deductions so that football decides which teams get promoted etc (obviously not affected by this case but more earlier in the season with Selkirk who could possibly have been challenging) Don't know what the answer would be but with the number of people becoming involved with Amateur Teams becoming a yearly battle these honest mistakes may become more common.

On that point if anyone wuld like to become more involved with their local team I would urge them to make contact!

[treatocopshaw]

DownTheA68, on 12 December 2011 - 20:42, said:

Noticed on the Border Am website that HOL have been deducted 3 points by the BAFA. Anyone know why this is?

a honest mistake it was a player sighned on then de registerd due to a bad injury then put on the bench and only played 5 mins as a sub before cummin of injured a should know cos it was me. but a suppose rules are rules

[Allstars #9]

problem with Honest mistakes is clubs will take advantage and play an unrecistered/illegible player then claim an honest mistake if there was no standard punishment, harsh but required. Just out of intrest did HLR win all 6 games that the lad played in??? or did they simply deduct 3 points each game regardless of the result? the latter would seem overly harsh!

[tubbytubthumper]

Allstars #9, on 13 December 2011 - 14:36, said:

problem with Honest mistakes is clubs will take advantage and play an unrecistered/illegible player then claim an honest mistake if there was no standard punishment, harsh but required. Just out of intrest did HLR win all 6 games that the lad played in??? or did they simply deduct 3 points each game regardless of the result? the latter would seem overly harsh!

The League deducted 3 points for each game played - and £5 fine. we had only one one of the games and drawn 2 (if memory serves me correctly) I think that if we had been deducted these points and full points awarded to our opponents this would have made more sense. However as was said earlier rules are rules and I expect no preferetial treatment because it happened to be six games. However maybe something could be changed for next season.
I also agree that some teams (mentioning no names ) may look to take advantage of the "honest mistakes" route although it smarts a bit because it is genuinely an honest mistake. Maybe if they knew that they would lose the points anyway if caught it would act as the deterent. How can losing points we have not even won be fair on the guys pulling on the shirt.

Maybe its just because ultimately it was my responsibility that I feel that its excessive!!

[Selkirk Loyal]

tubbytubthumper, on 13 December 2011 - 14:59, said:

The League deducted 3 points for each game played - and £5 fine. we had only one one of the games and drawn 2 (if memory serves me correctly) I think that if we had been deducted these points and full points awarded to our opponents this would have made more sense. However as was said earlier rules are rules and I expect no preferetial treatment because it happened to be six games. However maybe something could be changed for next season.
I also agree that some teams (mentioning no names ) may look to take advantage of the "honest mistakes" route although it smarts a bit because it is genuinely an honest mistake. Maybe if they knew that they would lose the points anyway if caught it would act as the deterent. How can losing points we have not even won be fair on the guys pulling on the shirt.

Maybe its just because ultimately it was my responsibility that I feel that its excessive!!

Yeah, I couldn't understand why at the start of the season when Selkirk Vics were deducted 18 points for the same offence, they got to keep the 3 draws they had picked up already sticking them on -15 points. I'd have thought that the teams involved in these games would be given the 3 points and that the Vics would receive a small deduction and fine. Seems very excessive. There you go though, they were sent back down within five league games!!

This post has been edited by Selkirk Loyal: 13 December 2011 - 15:38

[the mask]

tubbytubthumper, on 13 December 2011 - 14:59, said:

The League deducted 3 points for each game played - and £5 fine. we had only one one of the games and drawn 2 (if memory serves me correctly) I think that if we had been deducted these points and full points awarded to our opponents this would have made more sense. However as was said earlier rules are rules and I expect no preferetial treatment because it happened to be six games. However maybe something could be changed for next season.
I also agree that some teams (mentioning no names ) may look to take advantage of the "honest mistakes" route although it smarts a bit because it is genuinely an honest mistake. Maybe if they knew that they would lose the points anyway if caught it would act as the deterent. How can losing points we have not even won be fair on the guys pulling on the shirt.

Maybe its just because ultimately it was my responsibility that I feel that its excessive!!

I JUST CANT UNDERSTAND (LIKE THE SELKIRK SCENARIO) WHY DID THE LEAGUE SECRETARY NOT POINT IT OUT TO YOU AFTER THE 1ST GAME BUT INSTEAD THE PLAYER PLAYED 6 GAMES.

[tubbytubthumper]

the mask, on 13 December 2011 - 15:41, said:

I JUST CANT UNDERSTAND (LIKE THE SELKIRK SCENARIO) WHY DID THE LEAGUE SECRETARY NOT POINT IT OUT TO YOU AFTER THE 1ST GAME BUT INSTEAD THE PLAYER PLAYED 6 GAMES.

Following a request for guidance by the league it was advised that this was a club matter (and to an extent I agree that we should have noticed it!) and the league has not got the responsibility to notify the club, however it was acknowledgd that they didn't pick up on the error until the boy was sent-off.

To clarify I 100% do not put the blame on the BAFL as it is in the constitution and therefore what we have all signed up for, however a wee rethink at the AGM could be suggested to avoid a repeat next season - I am all for the best football team being the most successful - leagues and cups should not be decided on admin errors - although as pointed out I would not want to be cheated either - so agree if winning the game the points should be awarded to the other team if an unregistered player was part of a victorious team!

[Allstars #9]

That's poor from the exec, far too harsh for what is a clerical error in most cases and not a deliberate act of cheating, you should have lost any points gained where the player was involved and a fine. The other team should only be awarded points where they lodged a protest.

Far far too harsh and i would have been tempted to lodge an appeal with the safa, i think you would have won it.

[tubbytubthumper]

Allstars #9, on 14 December 2011 - 10:46, said:

That's poor from the exec, far too harsh for what is a clerical error in most cases and not a deliberate act of cheating, you should have lost any points gained where the player was involved and a fine. The other team should only be awarded points where they lodged a protest.

Far far too harsh and i would have been tempted to lodge an appeal with the safa, i think you would have won it.

I was tempted to be honest but realistically the SAFA would be saying it is a matter for the league and I would think they would back the league decision. It's similar to when a referee makes a decision on the pitch the league will back him 99% of the time unless it's a case of mistaken identity etc. The authorities cannot be seen to cack a club over the league. It would cost £50 to lodge an appeal and it would be unlikely to be successful. Has anyone anyexperience of appealling these sorts of punishments successfully?

[locharinn]

Try joining the Dumfries League then. One team (Max Th) played an ineligible player at start of season and won the game but ended up losin the 3 points. Another team (Lochmaben) have just been pulled up for playin an ineligible player twice (won 1 and drew 1) and now they have to replay the two games. Try working that out??

[locharinn]

Upper Annandale v YMCA in Dumfries League. Game was abandoned after 65 mins after Upper player was sent off and referee was verbally abused by player, officials and fans of Uppers. YM were leadin 2-1. Dumfries fined Uppers, awarded the 3 points to Ym. Uppers then appealed to SAFA and won and are to replay the game.