[MattBairn]

NathanQP, on 09 January 2012 - 19:42, said:

boring stereotype

How sad is it that fans let their football team dictate their politics?

[Savage Henry]

RobbieD, on 10 January 2012 - 04:20, said:

Nobody in England's Euro 2012 squad is allowed to play in the GB team. So basically it's already a weakened team which certain players are willing to sacrifice their national careers to play in.

Idiots.

Nobody's sacrificing anything by playing in team GB. And all Pearce has said is that he won't be calling anyone from the Euros up. I'm sure if any of those players really wants to play for GB and their club approves, they will play. There's nothing to be sacrificed though. You can't complain on one hand about the team being English dominated, and then when it's not, cry about it being a weakened team.

[itzdrk]

Jordo1872, on 09 December 2011 - 13:36, said:

Is it? Participation in a 2nd rate tournament at the risk of being hounded out ogaining future long-term international caps, and the chance to play in genuine football tournament, for Scotland? Would seriously doubt that.



Let's not take the chance eh.

funny guy

[Skyline Drifter]

David1979, on 10 January 2012 - 08:46, said:

That may be so, but it's a stereotype that's being lived up to in this thread.

It really isn't.

I'm not remotely of the "Rangers persuasion". Neither is HB. Neither is Savage Henry.

So, er, not a very good stereotype at all is it really?

[RobbieD]

Savage Henry, on 12 January 2012 - 08:10, said:

Nobody's sacrificing anything by playing in team GB. And all Pearce has said is that he won't be calling anyone from the Euros up. I'm sure if any of those players really wants to play for GB and their club approves, they will play. There's nothing to be sacrificed though. You can't complain on one hand about the team being English dominated, and then when it's not, cry about it being a weakened team.

Who is complaining about the team being English dominated?

I don't even want us anywhere near this shite.

[NittenSpur]

I'm doing a Freelance Journalism Course just now, and my latest assignment is to do a piece on this very subject.

Obviously it's a hot topic, and I'm keen to use some of the quotes and opinions (on both sides of the argument) offered. Of course there's no names revealed, but if you don't want me to write about certain contributions on here (or particularly want your views used) please PM me and I'll be happy to discuss it. Cheers.

[chico]

NittenSpur, on 06 February 2012 - 11:52, said:

I'm doing a Freelance Journalism Course just now, and my latest assignment is to do a piece on this very subject.

Obviously it's a hot topic, and I'm keen to use some of the quotes and opinions (on both sides of the argument) offered. Of course there's no names revealed, but if you don't want me to write about certain contributions on here (or particularly want your views used) please PM me and I'll be happy to discuss it. Cheers.

Get a clipboard,go talk to people instead of cutting and pasting off a forum

[bluetooner]

David1979, on 10 January 2012 - 08:46, said:

That may be so, but it's a stereotype that's being lived up to in this thread.

Does that mean that those paranoid about team GB meaning a loss of individual national teams are of Celtic persuasion?

[NittenSpur]

chico, on 06 February 2012 - 12:05, said:

Get a clipboard,go talk to people instead of cutting and pasting off a forum

Thanks for that Chico, but advice I received from my tutor was (for the nature of the article I'm writing) forums like this are often better places to gauge opinions, as you're more likely to catch people off-guard and possibly get a less well-considered response by simply stopping them in the street. By the very definition of this thread, only people with firm opinions on the subject are involved. And I've no intention of "cutting and pasting" anything.

[Highlandmagyar]

bluetooner, on 06 February 2012 - 12:38, said:

Does that mean that those paranoid about team GB meaning a loss of individual national teams are of Celtic persuasion?

If you mean Seltic, probably not, but if you mean Keltic then I would say yes!!

[The Troll]

Would Steven Fletcher be available? Imagine he would be

[NathanQP]

The Troll, on 13 February 2012 - 19:33, said:

Would Steven Fletcher be available? Imagine he would be

I don't think he will be

[saintie1977]

The fact that there is any chance players never being picked again for their home nation if they play for GB is embarrassing and archaic. Let these players go and have the chance to play for GB and experience a once in a lifetime opportunity. GB (and I sometimes) take part in many other team sports yet their national standing is never questioned. Best example has got to be the Lions tour every 4 years.

[Enrico Annoni]

saintie1977, on 15 February 2012 - 22:19, said:

The fact that there is any chance players never being picked again for their home nation if they play for GB is embarrassing and archaic. Let these players go and have the chance to play for GB and experience a once in a lifetime opportunity. GB (and I sometimes) take part in many other team sports yet their national standing is never questioned. Best example has got to be the Lions tour every 4 years.

Why do people keep comparing the British & Irish Lions to team GB It's not the fucking same!

[saintie1977]

Enrico Annoni, on 15 February 2012 - 22:22, said:

Why do people keep comparing the British & Irish Lions to team GB It's not the fucking same!

Why is it not?

[Supras]

Kincardine, on 21 December 2011 - 22:13, said:

They didn't have to wait. Team GB existed from 1904 to 1972 and nothing happened. The 1948 team was managed by Matt Busby and included players from Queens Park and Queen of the South. Are they also traitors whose actions jeopardised the future of Scottish football?

You speak of this as if it's without precedent. In fact there's nothing new - apart from your paranoid, scaremongering ranting.

Are you suggesting the circumstances in 1948 are the same as now?

Yeah, it's not as if Sepp Blatter has said directly it could harm Scotlands independent status. Oh wait - yes he has. The paranoid argument would usually stick, but not here when concerns are based quite clearly in reality.

xbl, on 22 December 2011 - 10:52, said:

Its a good point. Right now, we have an English team, administered by the English FA, based in England, with the management picked by the English FA. Oh, and the English FA were given permission by the BOA to do this in a "historic agreement with the home nations". Are the mens team not also playing all their games in England too? Which would be fine, except only one "home nation" was part of this agreement, and this was England. So what we have here is team England, with some foreign players.

Why don't they go the whole hog and call up Ronaldo and Messi too?

Yep, he hasn't been back since then.

Knows when he's beat.

Skyline Drifter, on 12 January 2012 - 11:14, said:

It really isn't.

I'm not remotely of the "Rangers persuasion". Neither is HB. Neither is Savage Henry.

So, er, not a very good stereotype at all is it really?

So why do you support team GB? Anti Scottish football? Hate the national team?

saintie1977, on 16 February 2012 - 08:26, said:

Why is it not?

Who gives a shit about rugby?

[saintie1977]

Supras, on 16 February 2012 - 14:10, said:

Are you suggesting the circumstances in 1948 are the same as now?

Yeah, it's not as if Sepp Blatter has said directly it could harm Scotlands independent status. Oh wait - yes he has. The paranoid argument would usually stick, but not here when concerns are based quite clearly in reality.




Yep, he hasn't been back since then.

Knows when he's beat.




So why do you support team GB? Anti Scottish football? Hate the national team?




Who gives a shit about rugby?

It's got nothing to do with giving a shit about rugby, but everything to do with the fact it works in mainstream sports. It makes national football associations look backward and supporters who talk about booing players who choose to play for Team GB extremely small minded indeed.

[chico]

saintie1977, on 17 February 2012 - 13:09, said:

It's got nothing to do with giving a shit about rugby, but everything to do with the fact it works in mainstream sports. It makes national football associations look backward and supporters who talk about booing players who choose to play for Team GB extremely small minded indeed.

Hmm go read up about IFAB, FIFA and the one passport, one world cup entry.

Blatter has no ability to make exceptions

The SFA, FAW and IFA are all correct to oppose the BOA. The FA have self declared themselves the British football federation for the games.

The Olympic tournament is FIFA's under 23 championship.

Read more about it, it's not anywhere near as simple as you make out.

[Enrico Annoni]

saintie1977, on 17 February 2012 - 13:09, said:

It's got nothing to do with giving a shit about rugby, but everything to do with the fact it works in mainstream sports. It makes national football associations look backward and supporters who talk about booing players who choose to play for Team GB extremely small minded indeed.

British & Irish Lions go on tour once every 4 years, they play friendly games that is all.

How you can compare them with Team GB is pretty fucking ridiculous.

Care to clarify why 3 of the home FA's not supporting a mongrel team that could potentially harm our own independance status in the future for what is in european terms a 4th rate tournament behind the WC, Euro's and Champions League and maybe even the Europa League, makes us look backwards?

Love to know why.

[saintie1977]

Enrico Annoni, on 17 February 2012 - 13:58, said:

British & Irish Lions go on tour once every 4 years, they play friendly games that is all.

How you can compare them with Team GB is pretty fucking ridiculous.

Care to clarify why 3 of the home FA's not supporting a mongrel team that could potentially harm our own independance status in the future for what is in european terms a 4th rate tournament behind the WC, Euro's and Champions League and maybe even the Europa League, makes us look backwards?

Love to know why.

One of these FA's is so against it, they are happy for Olympic football to be played at their national stadium! Yeah, that would be the SFA.... This is run by the Olympic Committee and it has been explained by Blatter that this is a one off and will have no impact on the future of independent associations. If Blatter was to send a letter explaining this, would that make you feel better?

My reference to the Lions was only as an example of what works in other sports - there will be plenty of players representing GB teams in other sports at the Olympics who are extremely proud to pull on their Scottish/English/Northern Irish/Welsh shirts at all other times.

I understand your point, surely you can see where I'm coming from?

[Enrico Annoni]

saintie1977, on 17 February 2012 - 14:23, said:

One of these FA's is so against it, they are happy for Olympic football to be played at their national stadium! Yeah, that would be the SFA.... This is run by the Olympic Committee and it has been explained by Blatter that this is a one off and will have no impact on the future of independent associations. If Blatter was to send a letter explaining this, would that make you feel better?

My reference to the Lions was only as an example of what works in other sports - there will be plenty of players representing GB teams in other sports at the Olympics who are extremely proud to pull on their Scottish/English/Northern Irish/Welsh shirts at all other times.

I understand your point, surely you can see where I'm coming from?

The SFA don't own Hampden

And will Blatter be in charge of FIFA forever? How can such a guarantee be made for the future, Blatter might keel over and die tomorrow and his promises will mean f**k all, oh aye let's not forget this little gem from 2009

http://news.bbc.co.u...all/7917624.stm

Quote

SFA president George Peat claims his Fifa counterpart Sepp Blatter now admits a Team GB would pose a risk. "Mr Blatter told us at an informal function that, if we agreed to be part of Team GB, our position would be in jeopardy," said Peat.

Quote

David Will, who was Fifa vice-president for 15 years, has always told us on no account to get involved," he said.

"David Taylor (UEFA vice-president) says the same thing. So we're viewing this as a serious warning."

But we shouldn't take any of that serious right.

So, I can't see why anyone would want to see Team GB go ahead.

[Convenor]

Enrico Annoni, on 17 February 2012 - 14:42, said:

The SFA don't own Hampden

That is correct but they still have the lease to manage the stadium and run all events there. Olympic football at Hampden is everything to do with them and nothing to do with QP

[craigkillie]

Convenor, on 17 February 2012 - 16:07, said:

That is correct but they still have the lease to manage the stadium and run all events there. Olympic football at Hampden is everything to do with them and nothing to do with QP

Isn't that "Hampden Park Ltd"? Not sure who owns that though.

[Supras]

saintie1977, on 17 February 2012 - 13:09, said:

It's got nothing to do with giving a shit about rugby, but everything to do with the fact it works in mainstream sports. It makes national football associations look backward and supporters who talk about booing players who choose to play for Team GB extremely small minded indeed.

Mainstream sport? Really? How many nations actually play rugby? 10 or something?

It's an oddity, I scarcely have any idea who the British Lions are.

Cricket also play as "England" with players from all of Britain, nobody cares because cricket is, well, shit. Simply saying "other sports do it so football should" is not an argument at all I'm afraid. Football, as the worlds most popular sport, is different from these garden games.

And Scotland is one of the most passionate footballing nations on earth, it's really a massive part of our society and identity, and people don't care that it's very existence is being threatened? Even if Scotland were absolutely guaranteed to maintain our status - which we clearly aren't - a grotesque amalgamation with our only rivals - run entirely by them - has zero appeal to me as a Scottish football fan.

saintie1977, on 17 February 2012 - 14:23, said:

One of these FA's is so against it, they are happy for Olympic football to be played at their national stadium! Yeah, that would be the SFA.... This is run by the Olympic Committee and it has been explained by Blatter that this is a one off and will have no impact on the future of independent associations. If Blatter was to send a letter explaining this, would that make you feel better?

My reference to the Lions was only as an example of what works in other sports - there will be plenty of players representing GB teams in other sports at the Olympics who are extremely proud to pull on their Scottish/English/Northern Irish/Welsh shirts at all other times.

I understand your point, surely you can see where I'm coming from?

What does olympic football being played at the stadium have to do with anything!? It's not as if team GB will be playing there, I don't think. Can't say having the football there bothers me at all to be honest, having our players picked against the will of our football association clearly does.

It will be complete shit anyway, no good English players will be selected because they will be at the Euros so it will be Bale, Ramsey and non entities like Shawcross. Oh and Giggs and Beckham will be playing with Stuart Pearce as manager!

It sounds like a sick joke.

[Enrico Annoni]

Supras, on 18 February 2012 - 16:30, said:

Cricket also play as "England" with players from all of Britain, nobody cares because cricket is, well, shit. Simply saying "other sports do it so football should" is not an argument at all I'm afraid. Football, as the worlds most popular sport, is different from these garden games.

When it comes to Cricket, it's not just "England" in reality it's England & Wales Circket Board, (hence the reason you dont see a Welsh cricket side) and why once in a while the England team play in Wales!


But i bet hardly anyone knows that!


http://en.wikipedia....s_Cricket_Board


http://www.ecb.co.uk/

Quote

Official site of the England and Wales Cricket Board

The reason the ECB dropped the "Wales" is because they believe it makes it easier for people if they are just called "England" and ECB (English Cricket Board) is also easier to remeber than EWCB (England & Welsh Cricket Board)



EDIT: my point for that above rant, is the english dont give a f**k about us or the other home national, The FA would love a Team GB, pick all the best players and portray it as just another England team, based in England, managed by the English FA, wearing Red White & Blue, and signing God Save The Queen.

This post has been edited by Enrico Annoni: 18 February 2012 - 16:57