[Swampy]

Jacksgranda, on 08 December 2011 - 19:36, said:

I remember Dave Lee travis

Then you're too old.

[Dean Court]

Pakeha New Zealanders enjoy correctly pronouncing Whakatane for the same reason as Fochabers.

[Hedgecutter]

Demented Zebra, on 08 December 2011 - 13:09, said:

Anytime I am ordering something on the phone to someone down south the address is met with horror.
Lochwinnoch – How do you spell that is the first question usually followed by them trying to pronounce it.
You tell them to say Loch—whinn – och but some how the still can’t say it.

That's cause the English can't say 'och' without pronouncing it 'k', hence the Fochabers issue. Most Scots on the other hand (only knowing it from a Baxters label usually) tend to just stress the 'a' too much and make Foch-abers almost like two words. It should roll off the tongue (there's another for foreigners) like you'd do with, say, Ullapool. You don't say Ulla...pool after all.

On this note, do most Weegies pronounce East Kilbride like one word or two? My dads from there and says it like one word 'Eeskilbride' as if the t's been dropped.

PS. Most European tourists pronounce Ullapool as 'Oolapool', usually used in a sentence involving a petrol station.

I also make Caithness one word like 'Caithnis' rather than the double Caith-Ness. On the other hand, you wouldn't say Invernis but it's like the Hawick / Lerwick / Berwick / Wick thing.

On the mouth thing, most things I say 'mith', from the exception of Lossiemouth. That's because there's no need for it and it's just 'Lossie'.

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[vikingTON]

I've found most things in West Central Scotland have the last 't' made at the back of the throat instead of the teeth, which makes it more difficult to hear and almost like it's been dropped. It's a really annoying habit that I'm trying to personally curb. For example bit, sit and fit all apply to this rule.

[Jacksgranda]

Hedgecutter, on 08 December 2011 - 21:51, said:

the exception of Lossiemouth. That's because there's no need for it

Quite so.

[Hedgecutter]

vikingTON, on 08 December 2011 - 21:58, said:

I've found most things in West Central Scotland have the last 't' made at the back of the throat instead of the teeth, which makes it more difficult to hear and almost like it's been dropped. It's a really annoying habit that I'm trying to personally curb. For example bit, sit and fit all apply to this rule.

I'd say that's most Scotland actually. That's what I do.

It's Scotland's extra letter of the alphabet between t and s. You can't really say it by itself but if you didn't say it, then 'it' would become 'bih' which ain't the same.

You probably say west central Scotland because folk around Edinburgh think they're posh, hence pronounce ivrithin'.

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[vikingTON]

I said west central Scotland because I always just expect us to be the uncouth ones, actually.

[Hedgecutter]

vikingTON, on 08 December 2011 - 22:13, said:

I said west central Scotland because I always just expect us to be the uncouth ones, actually.

We agree on something, fucking hell!

If you bring this up in relation to my East Kilbride question, if you pronounced your t's, would you still say it like one word or two with a slightly longer pause inbetween?

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[oht]

I've always struggled with this one from Uganda: Swu Mpezak Unt

You have to say it out loud a few times before you're even close.

[Kyle]

Milevskiy, on 06 December 2011 - 23:29, said:

I thought "Culter" was said like "Coolter" not "Cooter"

I thought that until right now

[Swampy]

oht, on 08 December 2011 - 22:25, said:

I've always struggled with this one from Uganda: Swu Mpezak Unt

You have to say it out loud a few times before you're even close.

That's the kind of thing I had in mind when I started this thread.

I don't know if what you've given there is tonal but a lot of tonal languages give very tough place names. Ho Chi Minh looks fine written but the Ho and Minh are said just a certain way.

Same with China. I will never get the second syllable in, say, Guangzhou right as long as I live. Zhou. Like "Joe" but not.

[Hedgecutter]

Swampy, on 08 December 2011 - 22:40, said:

Same with China. I will never get the second syllable in, say, Guangzhou right as long as I live. Zhou. Like "Joe" but not.

Far easier to call it Canton.

Back to the Moscow thing, I've never seen the need to give already named places names of our own (why's Roma Rome?!), unless we can't pronounce them.

Munich on the other hand, the English can't pronounce the 'ch' in München so they go and call it Munich of all things. F***ing Facepalm.

[stonedsailor]

oht, on 08 December 2011 - 22:25, said:

I've always struggled with this one from Uganda: Swu Mpezak Unt

You have to say it out loud a few times before you're even close.

Brilliant, just fucking brilliant.

[Hedgecutter]

stonedsailor, on 08 December 2011 - 23:11, said:

Brilliant, just fucking brilliant.

Was making the mistake off pronouncing the first bit 'swoo', but since you wrote that, it's just clicked!

[craigkillie]

The OP, on 07 December 2011 - 22:20, said:

I've always known it as 'Came-lin'. Have only ever heard it pronounced 'Cammy-lon' as in 'Camelot' when the voice on the train says it that way. And it always annoys me.

I've noticed that the woman who does the (presumably pre-recorded?) annoucements in Glasgow Central pronounces Wemyss Bay as "Wems Bay". The previous announcer used to always say "Weems Bay", and the on-train one which I hear at Paisley always says "Change here for trains to Weems Bay and Gourock".

I'm assuming that "Weems Bay" is the correct one - I'd never heard it being pronounced as "Wems" before.

[IrishBhoy]

Swu Mpezak Unt.

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[vikingTON]

craigkillie, on 09 December 2011 - 02:16, said:

I've noticed that the woman who does the (presumably pre-recorded?) annoucements in Glasgow Central pronounces Wemyss Bay as "Wems Bay". The previous announcer used to always say "Weems Bay", and the on-train one which I hear at Paisley always says "Change here for trains to Weems Bay and Gourock".

I'm assuming that "Weems Bay" is the correct one - I'd never heard it being pronounced as "Wems" before.

I'd say the correct, or at least local, pronunciation is "Wims".

[Hedgecutter]

craigkillie, on 09 December 2011 - 02:16, said:

I've noticed that the woman who does the (presumably pre-recorded?) annoucements in Glasgow Central pronounces Wemyss Bay as "Wems Bay". The previous announcer used to always say "Weems Bay", and the on-train one which I hear at Paisley always says "Change here for trains to Weems Bay and Gourock".

I'm assuming that "Weems Bay" is the correct one - I'd never heard it being pronounced as "Wems" before.

Like I said before, this wifey pronounced Ardgay (Ard-guy) as it's read to everyone's amusement. She also does Alness wrong too on the same route.

For the record, I say Wemyss like Weems too. Same applies to the Wemyss in Fife. Was there not an stv programme called Wemyss Bay with this pronounciation years ago anyway?

This post has been edited by Hedgecutter: 09 December 2011 - 08:31

[Hedgecutter]

vikingTON, on 09 December 2011 - 03:21, said:

I'd say the correct, or at least local, pronunciation is "Wims".

Using that rule, the correct pronounciation of Aberdeen should be Aiberdeen, Dundeh for Dundee, etc etc. If most locals call it something like Wims then that's good enough for me. Still Weems in Fife though. Looks like another Balloch situation!

Regarding programme names, they might have mispronounced Wemyss. Durness is on Landward this evening and I'll put a wager on it they'll say it with a 'ness', not 'niss'.

This post has been edited by Hedgecutter: 09 December 2011 - 08:47

[stonedsailor]

oht, on 08 December 2011 - 22:25, said:

I've always struggled with this one from Uganda: Swu Mpezak Unt

You have to say it out loud a few times before you're even close.

Having spent absolutely no time in Africa at all I think I am expert enough to give my opinion that the correct pronounciation is Swo-m-peeza-k-oont.

This post has been edited by stonedsailor: 09 December 2011 - 10:41

[stonedsailor]

Lets put this thread to bed.

http://www.howjsay.com/

http://www.howjsay.c...t&submit=Submit

[Swampy]

Hedgecutter, on 08 December 2011 - 23:03, said:

Far easier to call it Canton.

Back to the Moscow thing, I've never seen the need to give already named places names of our own (why's Roma Rome?!), unless we can't pronounce them.

Munich on the other hand, the English can't pronounce the 'ch' in München so they go and call it Munich of all things. F***ing Facepalm.

And in Italy they call it Monaco, which can be very confusing when talking about European football

[Swampy]

stonedsailor, on 09 December 2011 - 10:55, said:

Lets put this thread to bed.

http://www.howjsay.com/

http://www.howjsay.c...t&submit=Submit

Err, it's not that I don't know how to pronounce Ajaccio, it's that it's very difficult for someone of my accent to do so.

This post has been edited by Nizzy: 11 December 2011 - 10:02

[Hedgecutter]

Swampy, on 09 December 2011 - 13:15, said:

Err, it's not that I don't know how to pronounce Ajaccio, it's that it's very difficult for someone of my accent to do so.

Aye, but can you pronounce Swu Mpezak Unt though?

[craigkillie]

vikingTON, on 09 December 2011 - 03:21, said:

I'd say the correct, or at least local, pronunciation is "Wims".

Interesting. Maybe the announcer woman is a local, because what she says is probably quite close to that.