[GorgieRoad]

I really don't understand the people that are saying "It's all Vlad's fault". Why should the supporters have to suffer for that? £28 is actually not too bad in the scheme of things, but the £6 charge on top is a bit of a joke. It's hard to justify spending that sort of money on a 90 minute game of football where the quality is going to be awful.

I really hope Hearts supporters don't try and boycott this game though, IMO they turn into a bit of a laughing stock when most people end up going and it just looks like a shite support, not really motivation for the team when it needs it most.

Looking forward to it.

Edit: Is the £6 extra only for delivery and if you can't get to Tynecastle/Easter Road to pick it up yourself? This is more confusing than it should be.

This post has been edited by GorgieRoad: 29 November 2011 - 13:18

[Akpo Sodje]

Hearts Daft, on 29 November 2011 - 13:02, said:

To line petries pockets? Nah no thanks.

It won't take you long to save up, earning all that £9 per hour, eh?

[Happy Hibee]

Ric, on 29 November 2011 - 13:04, said:

What a dreadful bit of deflection. Hearts' financial difficulties are well known, in fact so bad they can't even pay their own players at
times, let alone other clubs in the league. To try and brush it off as cashflow problem at hibs is quite a brass neck, but then you were joking weren't you?

Spot on, it's always someone else to blame, first it was the media making up stories about late payment of wages now it's because Hibernian are in financial trouble they are selling direct. I suppose the same must apply to Celtic who are doing similar and of course nothing to do with hearts.

Thing is, the hearts fans actually believe this, I suggest complaining to your club about it and see what they say.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Ric, on 29 November 2011 - 13:04, said:

What a dreadful bit of deflection. Hearts' financial difficulties are well known, in fact so bad they can't even pay their own players at times, let alone other clubs in the league. To try and brush it off as cashflow problem at hibs is quite a brass neck, but then you were joking weren't you?

I wasn't joking but you may have read the post with different emphasis that I intended to convey

I didn't say that there was a cashflow problem at hibs. I doubt there is but it's not entirely implausible that they've got issues which would make the risk of late reciept of this money a serious problem.

The point was that if they did then it might excuse this behaviour.

I suspect, as do you, that they don't have that excuse.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

GorgieRoad, on 29 November 2011 - 13:16, said:

I really don't understand the people that are saying "It's all Vlad's fault". Why should the supporters have to suffer for that? £28 is actually not too bad in the scheme of things, but the £6 charge on top is a bit of a joke. It's hard to justify spending that sort of money on a 90 minute game of football where the quality is going to be awful.

I really hope Hearts supporters don't try and boycott this game though, IMO they turn into a bit of a laughing stock when most people end up going and it just looks like a shite support, not really motivation for the team when it needs it most.

Looking forward to it.

Edit: Is the £6 extra only for delivery and if you can't get to Tynecastle/Easter Road to pick it up yourself? This is more confusing than it should be.

There is no option to collect. at Easter Road.

[jambopompey]

Ric, on 29 November 2011 - 13:04, said:

What a dreadful bit of deflection. Hearts' financial difficulties are well known, in fact so bad they can't even pay their own players at times, let alone other clubs in the league. To try and brush it off as cashflow problem at hibs is quite a brass neck, but then you were joking weren't you?

what club have hearts failed to pay? you may be interested to know that a SPL club is due Hearts money, but Hearts are not screaming from the rooftops about it.

Yes Hearts have a major cashflow issue, which has led to both Celtic and Hibs dealing with the visiting Hearts applications.

Yes Hibs also have cashflow problems as well (same as every other club) they have 2 home games left until the derby and it may have suited them to do this than wait the usual x amount of days (been told it is 45, but not sure) it is between clubs transfering ticket sales.

why Hibs could not allow a pick up option at Easter road i don't know seeing as we are both in the same city, if you wanted them posted out then you have the choice to pay the extra for that service.

[Hearts Daft]

Glen Sannox, on 29 November 2011 - 13:13, said:

Wait, you actually think he gets the money, do you?

Wait, you actually think he doesn't?

[Hearts Daft]

jambopompey, on 29 November 2011 - 13:23, said:

what club have hearts failed to pay? you may be interested to know that a SPL club is due Hearts money, but Hearts are not screaming from the rooftops about it.

Yes Hearts have a major cashflow issue, which has led to both Celtic and Hibs dealing with the visiting Hearts applications.

Yes Hibs also have cashflow problems as well (same as every other club) they have 2 home games left until the derby and it may have suited them to do this than wait the usual x amount of days (been told it is 45, but not sure) it is between clubs transfering ticket sales.

why Hibs could not allow a pick up option at Easter road i don't know seeing as we are both in the same city, if you wanted them posted out then you have the choice to pay the extra for that service.

Because they're robbing us to compensate for their shite supporters.

[pozbaird]

GorgieRoad, on 29 November 2011 - 13:16, said:

£28 is actually not too bad in the scheme of things

£28 is a fcuking joke for an SPL match that is live on TV. End of.

[SodjesSixteenIncher]

So let me get this right.

The ticket is standard price?

The additional charge is nothing to do with Hibs?

The only difference is we're selling it. As opposed to waiting on payment from a company with an atrocious credit rating, who pay everything as late as possible?
(and potentially may stop paying any outgoings soon)

What a bandit that Petrie is.

[HibeeJibee]

If Hearts had a trustable owner and could pay their bills on time, none of this would have happened... Prices are standard for our Cat A games and as a poster notes above, not at all different to Hearts prices. Recorded delivery is to ensure they get the tickets ontime.

I assume collection isn't possible owing to the unlikely, but extant, potential of something kicking-off if Hibs and Hearts fans both queued together?

[jambopompey]

Hearts Daft, on 29 November 2011 - 13:30, said:

Because they're robbing us to compensate for their shite supporters.

how are Hibs robbing us, they have added a delivery charge of £6 of which £5:45 is for a recorded delivery and they are then taking 55p in an admin cost, for the celtic away game celtic are charging £5:20 delivery and a further £1:50 admin cost.

Hearts where asked to provide a written guarantee that the funds would be transferred by a certain date and Hearts did not respond to this saying they would.

[audioslave]

What're folk greeting over? If you don't want to pay it then don't. 25/30 blabs is fairly standard for what you'd class as a category A game. Mouth breathers getting bent out of shape because Hibs are selling them directly. There's some right arse clangers in our support.

[jambopompey]

HibeeJibee, on 29 November 2011 - 13:32, said:

If Hearts had a trustable owner and could pay their bills on time, none of this would have happened... Prices are standard for our Cat A games and as a poster notes above, not at all different to Hearts prices. Recorded delivery is to ensure they get the tickets ontime.

I assume collection isn't possible owing to the unlikely, but extant, potential of something kicking-off if Hibs and Hearts fans both queued together?

postal delivery for Hearts fans only, don't see why we can't pick up tickets from Easter Road as i don't think it would be a kick off between fans, most of the Hibs support would surely have season tickets.

[the-gaffer606]

Ric, you're spot on mate, £15 is about right for a game in Scotland and possibly £20 big games (i.e The Old Firm game)

There is simply no way we should be paying anywhere what we do in this country

I also think most clubs in Scotland for Saturday 3pm kick offs should be pay at the gate

[topcat(The most tip top)]

SodjesSixteenIncher, on 29 November 2011 - 13:31, said:

So let me get this right.

The ticket is standard price?

The additional charge is nothing to do with Hibs?

The only difference is we're selling it. As opposed to waiting on payment from a company with an atrocious credit rating, who pay everything as late as possible?
(and potentially may stop paying any outgoings soon)

What a bandit that Petrie is.

The Additional Charge is down to Hibs insisting on sending these out by Special Delivery rather than allowing them to be collected so it very much has something to do with Hibs.

If Hearts stop paying outgoings then the debt is guarunteed by the league so that's of limited relevance. There is no risk of nonpayment but there is of late payment.

The idea that Petrie is doing this to get more money is weak but the idea that he's doing this to get the money faster is being understated. He's got my Credit Card details already and it's not even December yet. if the sale was done normally (assuming Hearts paid within 10 working days) wouldn't have that cash for another 7 weeks.

Under cover of avoiding a risk of getting paid a couple of weeks late he's grabbed the cash 7 weeks early. Given Hearts' much publicised problems the finance director at Tynecastle may well wish they'd thought of it first.

Realising this also lets us see our club's treatment of Old Firm Tickets differently as well

This post has been edited by topcat(The most tip top): 29 November 2011 - 13:58

[Galajambo]

We've only got ourselves to blame unfortunately because both Hibs and Celtic asked for assurances that their ticket money would be paid by a certain date, and we couldn't give them that guarantee because of our cash flow situation.

I do think the application process could be done a bit better however because I'm not comfortable about filling in a sheet of paper and posting it back to them with all my credit card details (including the 3 digit security code) written on it, or filling it in and emailing it back to them. I reckon there should be some form of secure payment option on the Hibs website (or at least a link to one put up on the Hearts website which leads you to the Hibs website) so that this can be done securely and electronically.

On top of that, Hibs are doing it in stages so that the Hearts supporters with the most loyalty points are being rewarded first. whish is fair enough as that's how Hearts would also do it, but it presents me with an additional problem because I've got over 130 loyalty points, and my wife has under 40, so it means that I'm going to have to pay £12 handling charge because all applications are meant to be in at the same time before being sorted into two groups, but my ticket would be posted out next week, whereas the wifes ticket would be posted out after Dec 17th, which means I'd be forking out £68 for two tickets to watch a derby match on a day where public transport is at a minimum as it is, and I need to worry about baby sitters etc, and it just seems like it's not worth the hassle, so I think I'll go to the pub and watch this one instead.

There are quite a few fans in the same boat who aren't going as a result and I'd be surprised if it sells out, add to that the fact that Hibs are not allowing personal collections and it's something else that's putting fans off, some Hearts fans stay very close to Easter Road and have to pay to get it delivered, it's madness and we should be allowed to collect if we want to, once again the ordinary punter gets shit on from a great height (and I'm not just saying that because it's Hibs as none of this would be happening if Romanov wasn't pumping millions of his cash into his basketball team with one hand, whilst pleading poverty with the other where Hearts are concerned)

[topcat(The most tip top)]

jambopompey, on 29 November 2011 - 13:37, said:

how are Hibs robbing us, they have added a delivery charge of £6 of which £5:45 is for a recorded delivery and they are then taking 55p in an admin cost, for the celtic away game celtic are charging £5:20 delivery and a further £1:50 admin cost.

Hearts where asked to provide a written guarantee that the funds would be transferred by a certain date and Hearts did not respond to this saying they would.

Do we actually have a solid source on that "refused to provide a written guarantee" story?

[jambopompey]

Galajambo, on 29 November 2011 - 14:01, said:

We've only got ourselves to blame unfortunately because both Hibs and Celtic asked for assurances that their ticket money would be paid by a certain date, and we couldn't give them that guarantee because of our cash flow situation.

I do think the application process could be done a bit better however because I'm not comfortable about filling in a sheet of paper and posting it back to them with all my credit card details (including the 3 digit security code) written on it, or filling it in and emailing it back to them. I reckon there should be some form of secure payment option on the Hibs website (or at least a link to one put up on the Hearts website which leads you to the Hibs website) so that this can be done securely and electronically.

On top of that, Hibs are doing it in stages so that the Hearts supporters with the most loyalty points are being rewarded first. whish is fair enough as that's how Hearts would also do it, but it presents me with an additional problem because I've got over 130 loyalty points, and my wife has under 40, so it means that I'm going to have to pay £12 handling charge because all applications are meant to be in at the same time before being sorted into two groups, but my ticket would be posted out next week, whereas the wifes ticket would be posted out after Dec 17th, which means I'd be forking out £68 for two tickets to watch a derby match on a day where public transport is at a minimum as it is, and I need to worry about baby sitters etc, and it just seems like it's not worth the hassle, so I think I'll go to the pub and watch this one instead.

There are quite a few fans in the same boat who aren't going as a result and I'd be surprised if it sells out, add to that the fact that Hibs are not allowing personal collections and it's something else that's putting fans off, some Hearts fans stay very close to Easter Road and have to pay to get it delivered, it's madness and we should be allowed to collect if we want to, once again the ordinary punter gets shit on from a great height (and I'm not just saying that because it's Hibs as none of this would be happening if Romanov wasn't pumping millions of his cash into his basketball team with one hand, whilst pleading poverty with the other where Hearts are concerned)

you could tell the misses she can't get a ticket , plus im sure the supporters buses are allowed to buy tickets in groups which reduces the delivery cost dramatically

[jambopompey]

topcat(The most tip top), on 29 November 2011 - 14:02, said:

Do we actually have a solid source on that "refused to provide a written guarantee" story?

would not say 100% solid but has been said by a few folk i know have a good re pore with staff at Tynecastle and are less likely to say a pile of manure like the OP

[Galajambo]

jambopompey, on 29 November 2011 - 14:10, said:

you could tell the misses she can't get a ticket , plus im sure the supporters buses are allowed to buy tickets in groups which reduces the delivery cost dramatically

I did tell her to join the supporters club mate, but you know what she's like.

[Ric]

jambopompey, on 29 November 2011 - 13:23, said:

what club have hearts failed to pay?

Did I say they did? Although not paying their own players does hint that they may be a bit of a credit risk.

jambopompey, on 29 November 2011 - 13:23, said:

Yes Hearts have a major cashflow issue, which has led to both Celtic and Hibs dealing with the visiting Hearts applications.

So... er.. proving my point..

jambopompey, on 29 November 2011 - 13:23, said:

Yes Hibs also have cashflow problems as well (same as every other club)

Stop tarring all the clubs with the same brush. My club has no cashflow problems. We are far from rolling in money, but we don't have problems paying our bills. Neither do St Johnstone for that matter.

[jambopompey]

Ric, on 29 November 2011 - 14:19, said:

Did I say they did? Although not paying their own players does hint that they may be a bit of a credit risk.


So... er.. proving my point..



Stop tarring all the clubs with the same brush. My club has no cashflow problems. We are far from rolling in money, but we don't have problems paying our bills. Neither do St Johnstone for that matter.

yes hence why i posted that about another club that is due monies to Hearts.

cashflow problems will be at all clubs, some will have a better running of their monies than others but all will have concerns during the course of the season.

[JamboMikey]

It seems like its just a bit of a publicity stunt, along with the moaning about us to the council. When the going gets tough, try and make a much bigger club than you look shite

This post has been edited by JamboMikey: 29 November 2011 - 14:32

[Forever Hibs]

So far i've got..

1) Petrie is a bandit (Even although he isn't profiting from this)
2) How can it be Romanovs fault? (When he never replied with a guarantee letter)
3) Why should the fans suffer? (It's all Hibs fault, Vlad hasn't done anything wrong)
4) Hibs have cash flow problems as well (This one is probably my favourite for today)
5) They are making that money back through TV money anyway (Oh in that case, this is scandalous, we should not be aloud to profit from TV revenue)

Some complete nut jobs on here. I feel sorry for the few sensible Jambo posts on here.