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Yannick Noah vs Spain He's Not Buying It

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ex tennis pro yannick noah has j'accused the nation of spain of gaining their miracalous sporting success of the past year due to performance enhacing drugs.

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"When I still milled around on the courts with my racket, we weren't ridiculous, far from it, against our spanish friends. Same on the soccer fields, the basket halls or on the roads of the Tour de France. Today they are running faster than us, are much more stronger and only leave us the bread crumbs. Compared to us, it's simple, we look like dwarves. Did we miss something?

One question keeps coming back to me : how can a nation dominate virtually overnight the sport in such a way ? Did they discover some avant-garde techniques or training facilities that nobody before them had imagined? I have searched and didn't find any documented evidence of such innovations, even if I can understand one doesn't want to be imitated when having stumbled onto such a secret. But, between us, it's hard for me to believe in such a hypothesis. Today, sports are a bit like Astérix at the olympic games : if you don't have the magic potion, it's hard to win. And here it looks like, just like Obélix, they fell right down in the potion pot. Lucky guys.

However, in the last years they may have abused a bit of it, considering the avalanche of positive tests. No sooner than last week did I read that a player of the European champion basket team, in september, had a problem with an "anormal" testosterone value. The Spanish federation quickly declared that it was a "normal" anormal rate. Lucky guys. Had it happened in France, I'm convinced the matter would have turned out very differently. Let's take the case of Jeannie Longo. During twenty years, she was an idol. But as soon as there was a small incident regarding doping, she was assassinated. It's typical French schizophrenia.

We want champions, we admire foreign champions, et we have no mercy as soon as one gets caught. Remember Virenque "à l'insu de son plein gré". We sacrificated him, we had our victim, the others are still there. Lucky guys.

But do you know what they talk about at the sports bar (I know that well, I'm often around there)? Those who win are those who can slip out of the net, those who are quicker than the controllers and use the non-detectable drugs. Of course, it's very honorable for us to have put in place the "suivi longitudinal", a strict system to follow our athletes. But they are not treated the same as the majority of theirs opponents in the other countries.

In Spain, the Fuentes case, the biggest scandal in the history of the sport, did "pschitt" (nothing, a private French joke). The majority of the Spanish customers of the good doctors were let go. Maybe because, over there, sport is so important its heroes are more protected. But why are we rolling out then the red carpet for Contador at the Tour de France, after he tested positive (oh right, that was the meat....) ? let's stop with hypocrisy. Of course you have to apply "innocent until proven guilty", but nobody is fooled. The best attitude would be to accept doping. Let everyone have his magic potion."




a lot of good and undeniable points from noah. their have been two major doping rings bust in spain in recent years (operations puerto and galgo) with the end result being no prosecutions handed out or bans issued by the spanish authorities. the only conclusion you can draw is that sports doping receives government backing in spain.

there has been some good responses to this. rafa, uncle toni and david ferrer were aghast and drug cheat pep guardiola was mortally offended. none of them discussed the lack of response to operation puerto in their statements.

has yannick hit the nail on the head? is there another reason for spain's sudden world domination of tennis, cycling and football?

This post has been edited by T_S_A_R: 23 November 2011 - 15:14

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So now you think all the Spanish footballers are on drugs? Did we hear from Yannick when France were WC/Euros holders? Or when Bernard Hinault won tour after tour around the time Yannick Noah won the French Open? (the French have won double the amount of Tours than their closest rival btw)

He'd be better advised doing something about the Frenchy tennis players' complete lack of baws!

FWIW my opinion of Rafa is he's a freak of nature combined with an amazing competitive spirit, nothing to do with doping. The rest of the so-called "dominant" Spaniards have won nothing of note (apart from Davis Cup which they wouldn't have won without Rafa anyway!)

As for basketball, who gives a flying f**k about that!

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here's a quote from the head of the american testing authority

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'There does currently exist a divide between a number of nations that are running the most effective programmes. You look at the UK, France, Norway and, hopefully, the US. They are in stark contrast to the quality of the [anti-doping] programmes in Spain, Jamaica, Russia. That's troubling particularly because our athletes will be on the world stage competing against those athletes.

'Frankly, athletes from those countries [Jamaica, Spain and Russia] deserve to be able to say: "Hey, we're clean. And not only are we clean but we're held to the highest standard". I feel bad for athletes from those countries, because they don't have the ability to say that.'
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there have been many cases where the spanish authorities have covered up doping offences and let off athletes caught red handed. spain is dominant in it's 3 most popular sports - football, tennis and cycling - and doing well in other sports such as basketball, athletics and swimming. do you think this is just co-incidence?

alberto contador is currently pleading his case in CAS that drugs found their way into his body due to the consumption of heavily contaminated spanish meat. european union testing proves that spanish meat does not have a contamination problem. despite that contador has the backing of the entire spanish political hierarchy including the outgoing and incoming prime ministers (and rafa). basically the spanish prime minister is backing the tour de france winner over the country's cattle farmers, that tells you everything you need to know about spanish attitudes to doping.

in the case of rafa i think his dodgy injuries, prp therapy and wild flucuations in form and ambavilence to testing all point towards doping. there is no definite proof but there was no definite proof against armstrong or marion jones either.

i agree that noah hasn't said much about zidane or the doped to the gills world cup 98 team but france now has probably the best testing system in the world and he is shining a light on an important issue that the media constantly try to ignore.

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So the spanish are all junkies then
yippeeee the season has nearly started
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Interesting stuff- do you have a link for the original Yannick Noah article?
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McGlovin, on 26 November 2011 - 16:27, said:

Interesting stuff- do you have a link for the original Yannick Noah article?


a link to the original article

a link to a translation

if anyone is genuinely interested in doping in sport i'll happily give details of half a dozen spanish athletes who have made a mockery of drug testing.

it's an issue the media do not want to address. superheroes make too much money.
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Thanks for those.

I think I'm right in saying that at the Beijing Olympics the first positive test was from a Spanish cyclist. It was for EPO as well which, as I'm sure you know, is much more difficult to trace. I was only aware of the Puerto drug raid which certainly seemed to indicate some sort of industrial-style blood doping lab. It was all a bit like the BALCO lab in California.

Do people still take cycling seriously? It seems to be permanently tainted by drugs scandals.
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spain's olympic medal record.

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-1900: 1
-1904: n/a
-1908: n/a
-1912: n/a
-1920: 2
-1924: 0
-1928: 1
-1932: 1
-1936: n/a
-1948: 1
-1952: 1
-1956: n/a
-1960: 1
-1964: 0
-1968: 0
-1972: 1
-1976: 2
-1980: 6 (Boycotted Olympics, medal numbers inflated)
-1984: 5 (Boycotted Olympics, medal numbers inflated)
-1988: 4

"I know what happened at Barcelona '92 and I'm a Pandora's Box that, if opened one day, could bring down sport,"

-1992: 22
-1996: 17
-2000: 11
-2004: 19
-2008: 18


and general sporting achievements

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Spain's Tour wins before 1990: 3
Spain's gold medals at the Summer Olympics before 1990: 5
Spain's medals in Athletics World Championships before 1993: 4, 0 golds
Spain's medals in World Aquatics Championships before 1991: 0
Spain's Grand Slam victories before 1990: 7
Spain's Masters victories before 1990: 6

Spain's Tour wins after 1990: 10
Spain's gold medals at the Summer Olympics After 1990: 29
Spain's medals in Athletics World Championships after 1993: 31, 7 Golds
Spain's medals in World Aquatics Championships after 1991: 44
Spain's Grand Slam victories after 1990: 19
Spain's Masters victories after 1990: 37


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