[Gordon EF]

BerwickMad, on 20 October 2011 - 13:28, said:

Joining the ranks of other evil British b*****ds like Tom Daley, Chris Hoy, Kelly Holmes and Colin Jackson! What a bunch of c***s, looking to win an Olympic gold under the butchers apron. c***s!

Calm down pal.

I really couldn't give a shit what individuals who like to throw sticks or jump over sticks or anything like that want to do. I just don't like the Olympics. I'll go as far as being mildly pleased to see a British person win something if it's on a TV in my presence.

I really don't care too much about Team GB either way erither. I know it's not going to lead to a clamour to merge the home nations so I'm not bothered. Scots can play in it, manage it or not. It's up to them and I wouldn't think any less of them.

What's the problem in pointing out that Wattie (and other of his ilk) would probbaly like to be involved in this because they're big, proddie, Rangers supporting idiots?

[chico]

H_B, on 20 October 2011 - 12:56, said:

Because they want to have a representation of a British team in the London Olympics. Quite rightly.

At what price?

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The fact the other home nations have said "It's my ba' I'm going home" is neither here nor there. They can adopt that attitude if they like - entirely up to them. Doesn't mean a team can't be submitted.

Doesn't mean that the BOA is correct in saying that the FA are the governing body for the sport of football in the GB & NI area that the BOA covers.

No GB football team has been submitted in the era where professionals play football at the olympics.

Why should that be broken? It was recognised that the position of the four home FA's could be undermined at FIFA years ago.

Blather has wobbled his chops on the subject, but there's nothing on paper saying a one-off team GB wouldn't set a precident with FIFA.

FIFA sanction the U23 tournament under their auspices as a 'world cup' it's played under their rules and regs.

The BOA and FA will undermine the right of the welsh. Scots and NI Associations to play internationally and this could also affect the 4 home associations rights on IFAB in determining the laws of the game.

This is not petty nationalism.

[diamonds2002]

BerwickMad, on 20 October 2011 - 13:28, said:

Joining the ranks of other evil British b*****ds like Tom Daley, Chris Hoy, Kelly Holmes and Colin Jackson! What a bunch of c***s, looking to win an Olympic gold under the butchers apron. c***s!

Am I the only one who thinks Tom Daley is a wee dick? I hope he loses!

[Skyline Drifter]

thisal, on 20 October 2011 - 13:58, said:

The point I made was BOA are making noises that this wouldn't be an England team under a different name, but they have employed they're coaching staff straight from the English FA. Pearce going bananas after scoring a penalty may have got him the England U21 job (I don't think he should have got that job either.) but I don't think its relevent to team GB.

I don't think it's relevant to Team GB either but it's absolutely common sense to give the job to the England u21 coach. Whether you think Pearce should have that role or not is another question entirely. For me Pearce has done a pretty decent job of it and I'm not sure where all the bad press comes from. Making a half reasonable job at Manchester City without any startling success does not a massive club managerial bad reputation make. Or at least it shouldn't.

If you seriously think the FA were going to appoint a Scottish, Welsh or Irish coach to make a point (even if they could find someone suitable) even though as things stand those FA's are non-co-operating then you are in cuckoo land. Of course it will end up an England team under a different name but the various FA's have only themselves to blame for that.

[Reid]

Boo England.

[H_B]

chico, on 20 October 2011 - 14:07, said:

This is not petty nationalism.

Yes it is.

Feel free to come back and say "I told you so" when, post Olympics, FIFA say "Ah ha!" and suspend Scotland's participation in the World Cup qualifiers.

It's fantasy land nonsense form people desperately scrabbling for an argument that doesn't make them seem parochial and small minded.

[LinkinFighter]

Not bothered either way who plays or who the manager is, I will watch it regardless.

[chico]

H_B, on 20 October 2011 - 14:15, said:

Yes it is.

Feel free to come back and say "I told you so" when, post Olympics, FIFA say "Ah ha!" and suspend Scotland's participation in the World Cup qualifiers.

It's fantasy land nonsense form people desperately scrabbling for an argument that doesn't make them seem parochial and small minded.

We're yet to see reaction on the appointment from the SFA, it won't be 'ach that's okay then'

[H_B]

chico, on 20 October 2011 - 14:18, said:

We're yet to see reaction on the appointment from the SFA, it won't be 'ach that's okay then'

I couldn't really care less what the SFA have to say about it.

Do you honestly think (and actually do ponder this) that after the Olympics, FIFA are going to demand the home nations compete under one banner? Really?

[J_Stewart]

chico, on 20 October 2011 - 14:18, said:

We're yet to see reaction on the appointment from the SFA, it won't be 'ach that's okay then'

I'd imagine we probably won't either. They've washed their hands of the whole thing and have refused involvement, regardless of how right or wrong that is, their opinion is essentially of no consequence regarding Pearce being appointed.

[deky]

BerwickMad, on 20 October 2011 - 13:28, said:

Joining the ranks of other evil British b*****ds like Tom Daley, Chris Hoy, Kelly Holmes and Colin Jackson! What a bunch of c***s, looking to win an Olympic gold under the butchers apron. c***s!

A post i can agree with.

ABTGB

[thisal]

Skyline Drifter, on 20 October 2011 - 14:09, said:

I don't think it's relevant to Team GB either but it's absolutely common sense to give the job to the England u21 coach. Whether you think Pearce should have that role or not is another question entirely. For me Pearce has done a pretty decent job of it and I'm not sure where all the bad press comes from. Making a half reasonable job at Manchester City without any startling success does not a massive club managerial bad reputation make. Or at least it shouldn't.

If you seriously think the FA were going to appoint a Scottish, Welsh or Irish coach to make a point (even if they could find someone suitable) even though as things stand those FA's are non-co-operating then you are in cuckoo land. Of course it will end up an England team under a different name but the various FA's have only themselves to blame for that.

I think it was going to be team England no matter what the various FA's actions were.
Incedently I don't think football should be part of the Olympics at all. Team GB or not. There are more than enough international tournaments.
I was going to ignore your accusations of anti Englishness. But just read post #37 in this link.Half English
I have actually supported England live.

[chico]

H_B, on 20 October 2011 - 14:19, said:

I couldn't really care less what the SFA have to say about it.

Do you honestly think (and actually do ponder this) that after the Olympics, FIFA are going to demand the home nations compete under one banner? Really?

Do you think they won't?

The historic rIghts of the 4 home FA's and the FIFA vice presidency attached to that are looked on as out of date and there's a number of countries that would love to force a vote.

[H_B]

thisal, on 20 October 2011 - 14:24, said:

I think it was going to be team England no matter what the various FA's actions were.

In what way?

Because the majority of Britain's best footballers are English? Is this news or surprising?

[H_B]

chico, on 20 October 2011 - 14:27, said:

Do you think they won't?

I think there is no chance whatsoever of FIFA demanding that the home nations compete under one banner. There's nothing at all in it for them in doing so.

[chico]

J_Stewart, on 20 October 2011 - 14:20, said:

I'd imagine we probably won't either. They've washed their hands of the whole thing and have refused involvement, regardless of how right or wrong that is, their opinion is essentially of no consequence regarding Pearce being appointed.

I'd Imagine the SFA are speaking with their counterparts in Belfast and Cardiff.

They have countered previous Team GB stuff.

[chico]

H_B, on 20 October 2011 - 14:28, said:

I think there is no chance whatsoever of FIFA demanding that the home nations compete under one banner. There's nothing at all in it for them in doing so.

FIFA don't have full control of the laws of the game.
Threat and leverage.

[H_B]

chico, on 20 October 2011 - 14:31, said:

FIFA don't have full control of the laws of the game.
Threat and leverage.

Right..

So your worry now isn't that Scotland won't be competing as Scotland, but that Scotland won't have an individual say in how high the goalposts will be in 2050?

[H_B]

chico, on 20 October 2011 - 14:29, said:

They have countered previous Team GB stuff.

By "countered" do you mean they have huffed and said "I'm not playing"?

[thisal]

H_B, on 20 October 2011 - 14:27, said:

In what way?

Because the majority of Britain's best footballers are English? Is this news or surprising?

Of course The majority are English whose denying it. But the set up will bias it even more. Say Stuart Pearce has 2 players of equal ability fighting for the same position, one Welsh one English. As An employee of the English FA which one should he pick?
International football just shouldn't be at the Olympics.

[Skyline Drifter]

thisal, on 20 October 2011 - 14:24, said:

I think it was going to be team England no matter what the various FA's actions were.
Incedently I don't think football should be part of the Olympics at all. Team GB or not. There are more than enough international tournaments.
I was going to ignore your accusations of anti Englishness. But just read post #37 in this link.Half English
I have actually supported England live.

And? Whether you are half English or have supported England in the past or not has no bearing on the present issue which is that the opening post at no point suggests you were unhappy because of some perception of Pearce's lack of quality. No, it's all about the fact an English coach and especially an English football icon, has been appointed to a GB role.

I agree incidentally, I don't think football should be in the Olympics either. But it is and as it is I don't have a problem with the British then entering a Team GB in it.

chico, on 20 October 2011 - 14:27, said:

Do you think they won't?

The historic rIghts of the 4 home FA's and the FIFA vice presidency attached to that are looked on as out of date and there's a number of countries that would love to force a vote.

I think they won't. Ridiculous scaremongering.

H_B, on 20 October 2011 - 14:28, said:

I think there is no chance whatsoever of FIFA demanding that the home nations compete under one banner. There's nothing at all in it for them in doing so.

This. I can't see any benefit in either FIFA or UEFA demanding a change on this. If by any chance they did it's likely it would do more than 100 years of political argument for Scottish Independence. If Scotland weren't allowed a football team we'd have an independent country before the ink was dry on the FIFA ruling!

[Skyline Drifter]

thisal, on 20 October 2011 - 14:43, said:

Of course The majority are English whose denying it. But the set up will bias it even more. Say Stuart Pearce has 2 players of equal ability fighting for the same position, one Welsh one English. As An employee of the English FA which one should he pick?
International football just shouldn't be at the Olympics.

No two players have truly equal ability. He'll take the one he perceives to be better.

[chico]

H_B, on 20 October 2011 - 14:38, said:

By "countered" do you mean they have huffed and said "I'm not playing"?

Only in your world view.

[H_B]

chico, on 20 October 2011 - 14:48, said:

Only in your world view.

Perhaps you can explain better in what ways the other home nation FAs have "countered" Team GB...

[thisal]

Skyline Drifter, on 20 October 2011 - 14:47, said:

No two players have truly equal ability. He'll take the one he perceives to be better.

Nice one.