[DavieCFC]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/ 2...-europa-league

FC Sion says it has won a court injunction that invalidates Atlético Madrid's 2-0 victory over Celtic and Udinese's 2-1 win against Rennes in the Europa League on Thursday.

Sion says the ruling in Uefa's home canton (state) of Vaud means Group I is invalid if the Swiss club is excluded.
Uefa said it was not represented in court, and had no comment on Sion's latest legal action. Fifa's world football statutes forbid clubs going to civil courts to settle disputes.
Sion has challenged Uefa on several fronts since being expelled from the Europa League for fielding ineligible players when beating Celtic in the playoff round.
Uefa's President Michel Platini insisted that Celtic must be reinstated.


These guys are ripping the fucking pish now surely , Don't know why this carry on is being allowed to continue.






although i guess that would be one less european away defeat to have on our record

[WILLIEA]

DavieCFC, on 16 September 2011 - 15:33, said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2.. .-europa-league

FC Sion says it has won a court injunction that invalidates Atlético Madrid's 2-0 victory over Celtic and Udinese's 2-1 win against Rennes in the Europa League on Thursday.

Sion says the ruling in Uefa's home canton (state) of Vaud means Group I is invalid if the Swiss club is excluded.
Uefa said it was not represented in court, and had no comment on Sion's latest legal action. Fifa's world football statutes forbid clubs going to civil courts to settle disputes.
Sion has challenged Uefa on several fronts since being expelled from the Europa League for fielding ineligible players when beating Celtic in the playoff round.
Uefa's President Michel Platini insisted that Celtic must be reinstated.


These guys are ripping the fucking pish now surely , Don't know why this carry on is being allowed to continue.


Whilst I don't have much time for your club ( nor your blue cousins ) I have to agree with this.
Sion broke the rules and did so deliberately. They should be told to GTF and threatened with a 10 year ban.



although i guess that would be one less european away defeat to have on our record

[Jacksgranda]

DavieCFC, on 16 September 2011 - 15:33, said:

although i guess that would be one less european away defeat to have on our record

How so? Your defeat by Sion no longer counts, but your defeat by Atletico Madrid does. If Sion are reinstated your defeat by them is also reinstated, and your loss to Atletico disappears, so the end total is the same.

This post has been edited by Jacksgranda: 16 September 2011 - 15:58

[itzdrk]

YESSSSSSSSSS GO TEAMSION

[ICTChris]

In an amazing development that has defied expert predictions and shocked world football, Celtic seem to have found a team who are worse losers than they are.

[greenockraver]

itzdrk, on 16 September 2011 - 20:20, said:

YESSSSSSSSSS GO TEAMSION

Team : Ayr United... No explanation required

[SampFan101]

ICTChris, on 16 September 2011 - 21:57, said:

In an amazing development that has defied expert predictions and shocked world football, Celtic seem to have found a team who are worse losers than they are.

Spot on

[10 CC ICT]

greenockraver, on 16 September 2011 - 22:38, said:

Team : Ayr United... No explanation required

YESSSSSSSSSS GO TEAM SION

[itzdrk]

10 CC ICT, on 17 September 2011 - 00:28, said:

YESSSSSSSSSS GO TEAM SION

i like what you did there

[itzdrk]

greenockraver, on 16 September 2011 - 22:38, said:

Team : Ayr United... No explanation required

team celtic

no explanation possible

[Ric]

I would have thought UEFA would have Sion this one coming.

[chico]

Ric, on 18 September 2011 - 06:46, said:

I would have thought UEFA would have Sion this one coming.

[THE KING]

ICTChris, on 16 September 2011 - 21:57, said:

In an amazing development that has defied expert predictions and shocked world football, Celtic seem to have found a team who are worse losers than they are.

,,,maybe uefa should let sion back then celtic could goto court then uefa let celtic back in then....

[Forest_Fifer]

I'm just waiting for FIFA to get involved as their statutes explicitly forbid teams going to civil law courts in cases like this.

[THE KING]

I think employment law could be dragged into this and we could have a bosnan scenario regarding transfer windows and bans

[Jambomo]

I hope Sion keep going (not to spite Celtic) but because UEFA should be challenged, I think Sion are arguing they had served their punishment and they must have some sort of case if the courts are backing them. Although UEFA/FIFA might expel them can they really just ignore the law in the country they are based? It could be very interesting.

[HibeeJibee]

THE KING, on 21 September 2011 - 09:18, said:

I think employment law could be dragged into this and we could have a bosnan scenario regarding transfer windows and bans

Solution would be to allow a club in such a scenario to sign players, just not to field them for X period (just like being cup-tied, or suspended due to receiving a red card).

Taken to an ultimate extreme, sending a player off may be a restriction-of-trade. What then?

Jambomo, on 21 September 2011 - 13:52, said:

I hope Sion keep going (not to spite Celtic) but because UEFA should be challenged, I think Sion are arguing they had served their punishment and they must have some sort of case if the courts are backing them. Although UEFA/FIFA might expel them can they really just ignore the law in the country they are based? It could be very interesting.

Sion hadn't served their punishment. Instead of serving a ban of 2 transfer windows - they basically served half a July window (signing the players they wanted during the other half), a January window, and another half a July window (again signing players they wanted during the other half). That's circumvention. If Swiss clubs get advantages since then can overturn decisions in court... because FIFA and UEFA happen to be based there... then FIFA and UEFA will have to move.

[HibeeJibee]

Also interesting to note that the head if the Swiss FA has criticised Sion, saying it brings the name of Switzerland into disgrace, or something similar... while all 53 UEFA member FAs have just issued this:

Quote

http://news.bbc.co.u...ll/15008765.stm

Declaration of the 53 Uefa member associations regarding the FC Sion case

The 53 national associations of Uefa have today unanimously declared their support for Uefa President Michel Platini, the Uefa Executive Committee, the Uefa General Secretary, the Uefa disciplinary bodies and the Uefa administration for their determination to uphold the statutes and regulations of football.The European national associations call upon both Fifa and the Swiss FA to urgently take concrete steps to uphold the statutes and regulations of Fifa, as Uefa has done.

The independent sports justice system is the best guarantor of equality and fairness for all participants in sports.

The European national associations declare that any member of the football family which refuses to accept the rules of the competition should not participate in it.

[Jambomo]

HibeeJibee, on 21 September 2011 - 15:45, said:

Sion hadn't served their punishment. Instead of serving a ban of 2 transfer windows - they basically served half a July window (signing the players they wanted during the other half), a January window, and another half a July window (again signing players they wanted during the other half). That's circumvention. If Swiss clubs get advantages since then can overturn decisions in court... because FIFA and UEFA happen to be based there... then FIFA and UEFA will have to move.

Surely if FIFA or UEFA were imposing some kind of sanction on a club it would be in writing somewhere and it would state the punishment they should serve and the details of it I.e if they are banned from signing players for 2 transfer windows it must be written in black and White which ones?

[THE KING]

Jambomo, on 21 September 2011 - 13:52, said:

I hope Sion keep going (not to spite Celtic) but because UEFA should be challenged, I think Sion are arguing they had served their punishment and they must have some sort of case if the courts are backing them. Although UEFA/FIFA might expel them can they really just ignore the law in the country they are based? It could be very interesting.

Yeah my point as well if sion argue it court that their business is hampered due to being banned from employing staff(players) it could get messy

[WeeHectorPar]

THE KING, on 21 September 2011 - 18:34, said:

Yeah my point as well if sion argue it court that their business is hampered due to being banned from employing staff(players) it could get messy

They are not being banned from employing players. The legal action taken by the players is just total nonsense as no-one is preventing them from being employed by Sion or being paid by their employers. The only claim they could have is not being paid bonuses but this would be the same if the manager didn't select them. The decisions by Fifa and Uefa do not infringe the employment laws: they merely prevent the players playing in certain matches. Every club in Europe emplys players who will not play a first team match this season: is that a reason to take their employers to court if their wages are paid on time?

[seamus]

THE KING, on 21 September 2011 - 18:34, said:

Yeah my point as well if sion argue it court that their business is hampered due to being banned from employing staff(players) it could get messy

Oh f**k off.Away and get a life buy a dug.

[THE KING]

WeeHectorPar, on 21 September 2011 - 20:46, said:

They are not being banned from employing players. The legal action taken by the players is just total nonsense as no-one is preventing them from being employed by Sion or being paid by their employers. The only claim they could have is not being paid bonuses but this would be the same if the manager didn't select them. The decisions by Fifa and Uefa do not infringe the employment laws: they merely prevent the players playing in certain matches. Every club in Europe emplys players who will not play a first team match this season: is that a reason to take their employers to court if their wages are paid on time?

You're missing the point ,when it comes to football and the law, football is a business like any other and subject to the same laws which could brush aside any Uefa rulings Ala Bosnan, If sion go to court and argue that their business was illegaly hampered by being banned form employing and using players ,which could be seen as a restriction of trade it has the potential to change the transfer market , just ask yourself a few questions , is there any other transfer/employment windows in Europe? do you think any companies could be banned from hiring people while others could? When it comes to European law you need to think of it from a business point of view and not a .....football is special.....point of view.

[THE KING]

seamus, on 21 September 2011 - 20:51, said:

Oh f**k off.Away and get a life buy a dug.

Should you not be organising a vigil for a spilt pint if guiness somewhere?

[HibeeJibee]

THE KING, on 22 September 2011 - 10:34, said:

You're missing the point ,when it comes to football and the law, football is a business like any other and subject to the same laws which could brush aside any Uefa rulings Ala Bosnan, If sion go to court and argue that their business was illegaly hampered by being banned form employing and using players ,which could be seen as a restriction of trade it has the potential to change the transfer market , just ask yourself a few questions , is there any other transfer/employment windows in Europe? do you think any companies could be banned from hiring people while others could? When it comes to European law you need to think of it from a business point of view and not a .....football is special.....point of view.

Although football has to argue that case, in order to prevent everything being taken to extremes: or else it's potentially stuffed. As I said... when you send-off a player, his team is more likely to lose, he's unable to score a goal (with its bonus), he's suspended for the next game and thus cannot get a appearance/goal bonus, and his team miss him.

On paper, that's quite probably "illegal" too. It's only the fact that those are the rules, and the players and clubs subscribe to the rules without resorting to the law courts, that keeps it all from anarchy.