[ebbes20silkcut]

well obviously Jimmy White has to go down as probably the greatest underacheiver in the game of snooker, 6 world finals lost them all.

Golf- surely Lee Westwood how many times have we seen him finsih in top three of a major but fail to win,

Darts- So far Gary Anderson, could'nt win a world title in the mickey mouse BDO and since shifting to the professional side he has shown ability but yet to win a major TV event.

Tennis - Andy Murray,

[taurus]

In golf it's got to be Monty.

[jupe1407]

ebbes20silkcut, on 11 September 2011 - 07:17, said:

well obviously Jimmy White has to go down as probably the greatest underacheiver in the game of snooker, 6 world finals lost them all.

Golf- surely Lee Westwood how many times have we seen him finsih in top three of a major but fail to win,

Darts- So far Gary Anderson, could'nt win a world title in the mickey mouse BDO and since shifting to the professional side he has shown ability but yet to win a major TV event.

Tennis - Andy Murray,

Jimmy White: Agreed. At that time he probably had more natural ability than anyone in the game, but cleverer players like Davis wore him down, and later Hendry who was just a better all round player, defeated him on a pretty regular basis.

Lee Westwood: Is it really under-achievement when a much better player defeats you constantly? Much of Westwood's career has been spent as one of the distant pack of chasers behind Tiger Woods. Only since Woods' implosion has he come to the fore and really been a regular contender.

Andy Murray: Ridiculous suggestion. He's achieved exactly what his talents suggest he should. Nadal, Djokovic and Federer are all better players than him, therefore a few semi final/final defeats is pretty much what one would expect of him.

[Am footy]

Gary Anderson won the premier league maybe wrong but I'm sure that's a major!

Murray isn't under achieving

[F_T_Y]

Am footy, on 11 September 2011 - 08:37, said:

Gary Anderson won the premier league maybe wrong but I'm sure that's a major!

Yes he did,i wouldnt count it as a major.For darts it has to be terry jenkins !

[StewartyMac]

taurus, on 11 September 2011 - 07:54, said:

In golf it's got to be Monty.

Top player in Europe seven years in a row, multiple Ryder Cup wins, winning the same tournament as captain, and finishing in the top 3 in majors six times.

Underachieving indeed.

[Akpo Sodje]

Th Premier League of Darts is a major in my eyes. It's probably harder to win than the others as it's a league and played over several months. I'd agree that TJ is an underachiever, 6 major finals lost them all.

[StewartyMac]

Akpo Sodje, on 11 September 2011 - 11:59, said:

Th Premier League of Darts is a major in my eyes. It's probably harder to win than the others as it's a league and played over several months. I'd agree that TJ is an underachiever, 6 major finals lost them all.

You could argue that with Terry Jenkins being such an average player, he's overachieved even getting to six finals,

[Akpo Sodje]

StewartyMac, on 11 September 2011 - 12:03, said:

You could argue that with Terry Jenkins being such an average player, he's overachieved even getting to six finals,

Good point, although I think having such a bad record in major finals he would need to be considered an underachiever.

[DomDom]

Terry Jenkins has come up against some real formidable opposition in those finals. He's definately an overachiever. To suggest that someone who isn't much more than a solid player HASN'T overachieved is fairly funny. Gary Anderson HAS underachieved. He has blown big chances to win big tournaments in the past. He should have won a proper major by now. He hasn't.

[F_T_Y]

DomDom, on 11 September 2011 - 14:13, said:

Gary Anderson HAS underachieved. He has blown big chances to win big tournaments in the past.

When ?

World final.Beaten by lewis who hit a 9 darter.Harldy blew it. He has chucked away serious leads in the past,but not in finals.

[Uncle Psychosis]

jupe1407, on 11 September 2011 - 08:00, said:

Andy Murray: Ridiculous suggestion. He's achieved exactly what his talents suggest he should. Nadal, Djokovic and Federer are all better players than him, therefore a few semi final/final defeats is pretty much what one would expect of him.

Exactly. Murray is really unlucky to be playing at the same time as two of the greatest players of all time.

[H_B]

Spot on about Murray.. I'd actually say he has overachieved so far, considering the talent differential between him and the other 3.

[DomDom]

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When ?

World final.Beaten by lewis who hit a 9 darter.Harldy blew it. He has chucked away serious leads in the past,but not in finals.

Last year's Grand Prix was horrible to watch when Anderson just completely crashed. And what about all of the tournaments when he suddenly starts playing like a current day Wayne Mardle out of nowhere? For someone with the talent he has to have not won a major not only in the PDC, but the BDO, should tell you all you need to know about his underachievement. Especially in a time when there was almost 12 months worth of majors Phil Taylor was off his peak for, and only one of them seen him come up against one of the top players in prime form.

[printer]

How ignorant and small-minded do you have to be to start a thread like this and suggest great sportsmen like White, Westwood and Murray are failures?

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[RedWeb]

DomDom, on 12 September 2011 - 11:30, said:

For someone with the talent he has to have not won a major not only in the PDC, but the BDO

Think you're being extremely pedantic to say Gary has not won a major in the PDC. Most people would say the Premier League is a major event.

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[DomDom]

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Think you're being extremely pedantic to see Gary has not won a major in the PDC. Most people would say the Premier League is a major event.

There's a very definitive reason it's not classed as a major, and that's why I'm not calling it as such. Even if you DO class it as a major, the rest of the point stands. I've got a feeling that he might be over the bottling side of things now that he has the PL under him, but he's still going to have them utter brainfarts on stage that he has far too often.

[RedWeb]

DomDom, on 12 September 2011 - 12:22, said:

he's still going to have them utter brainfarts on stage that he has far too often.

Don't disagree. However, he's done better on TV than most expected. World Finalist, Premier League winner, UK Open finalist etc.

[stewie from paris]

Ronnie O'Sullivans' underachieved for someone of his talent.
Mark Ramprakash, Sergio Garcia, Matt Le Tissier all come to my mind.

[stewie from paris]

printer, on 12 September 2011 - 11:37, said:

How ignorant and small-minded do you have to be to start a thread like this and suggest great sportsmen like White, Westwood and Murray are failures?

An underachiever is not the same as a failure though.

[GiGi]

stewie from paris, on 12 September 2011 - 16:04, said:

Ronnie O'Sullivans' underachieved for someone of his talent.

He has a similar trophy and world championship haul to John Higgins, who is for my money the best ever (arguably with Hendry). I think could maybe have won a few more tournaments but he's hardly under achieved given the things he has won despite being his own worst enemy.

[DomDom]

For a normal person with that talent, you could probably say "underachiever" about O'Sullivan, but given that he clearly has issues, I think I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

[DeadStar]

John Higgins the best snooker player ever?

Honestly?

[taurus]

StewartyMac, on 11 September 2011 - 11:31, said:

Top player in Europe seven years in a row, multiple Ryder Cup wins, winning the same tournament as captain, and finishing in the top 3 in majors six times.

Underachieving indeed.

But never crossing that finishing line in a major.

[RedWeb]

DeadStar, on 12 September 2011 - 17:58, said:

John Higgins the best snooker player ever?

Aye, had to do a double take on that one myself