[Mr. Brightside]

FC Sion.

[craigkillie]

owteno, on 25 August 2011 - 22:41, said:

I think it's amazing that one of the two biggest clubs in Scotland have an on loan keeper as their no 1 for two seasons.

Fair enough for my team - but Celtic?

Worse still, they've loaned a shit third-choice keeper from a mediocre midtable English club. I wouldn't swap Cammy Bell for him.

[Lisandro]

craigkillie, on 26 August 2011 - 00:01, said:

Worse still, they've loaned a shit third-choice keeper from a mediocre midtable English club. I wouldn't swap Cammy Bell for him.

What makes it better is that I know slot of Sellick fans who were glad he came back He is fucking Shite. How Sellick can't get a better keeper I will never know.

FC Sion

Loaning out a shite keeper who is third choice at a decent mid-table premiership side

Forgot to mention OF fans with tear stained statuses on Facbook.

This post has been edited by Lisandro: 26 August 2011 - 01:07

[banterman86]

Swampy, on 25 August 2011 - 20:24, said:

What a dreadful result. How on earth can a team with a decent seeding like Celtic justify losing to that mob?

Complete and utter ineptitude really.


I said all through last season as there would be little excuse iof the Old firm didn;t make the group stages of the CL and EL respectively. The Champions pathway was set up to benefit clubs like them, whilst their seeding in the EL would see them up against the likes of Sion.

I stand by that now, for a;; the talk about money, and player quality,Celtic should eb beating a side like Sion - one look at Shamrock Rovers bursts the money arguement

As for the game itself, whilst you can;t legislate for Mastorojovic, again we saw Lennon freeze when Plan A wasn't working. The first half actually had shades of one of his best performances as Celtic boss - the 2-2 Cup draw at Ibrox - and with ki, kayal;, ledley and Brown in midfield we looked comfortable enough.

He should have made changes earlier though, at 60 minutes prefferably. Especially as it was obvious Kayal and Hooper would start flagging eventually.

craigkillie, on 26 August 2011 - 00:01, said:

Worse still, they've loaned a shit third-choice keeper from a mediocre midtable English club. I wouldn't swap Cammy Bell for him.

I really rate Cammy Bell, he tends to pretty eye-catching against us

[Yankee_Dollar]

Your club is supposed to be looked up to by others in Scotland as a team to beat all the time. You have been found out. Your manager is as mature as 1 day old chicken. His mannerism is out of touch with your club. The players he has brought in a third rate. I cant wait now till the DA play the re-arranged game which was cancelled so Celtic can play a glamour game. Thats what Celtic can aspire to now is 'glamour friendly' games.

So get it round ye.

[craigkillie]

banterman86, on 26 August 2011 - 08:29, said:

I really rate Cammy Bell, he tends to pretty eye-catching against us

He was available on a free this summer, and I was astonished that nobody signed him. His only offers were from Denmark and South Africa I believe.

[SampFan101]

I brought this up last week, Celtic could still be re-instated in the Group Stages because Sion were under a ban from FIFA from signing players and they played them in both legs. One of them was the guy that scored two of the three goals yesterday, Pascal Feidouno.

[The Genius]

Awful performance! The bald Swede has to be shown the door. He can't tackle, can't header and positionally he is a bomb scare! Celtic should never be beaten by pish like that in Europe. We (and Rangers) should easily be taking care of sub-standard opposition the likes of which we were facing last night.

I'm probably one of Lennon's biggest fans but he simply HAS to start picking the right players. At the moment I would have Mulgrew in the centre with Wilson until we buy another centre half to replace the Swedish chump. Whether McCourt lasts a full 90mins at present is irrelevant. He has proved in the past that he can be a major influence on games and he deserves his chance to start. How do we know he can't last 90mins if he's never been given the chance??? Samaras has zero confidence and scores the square root of feck all. We've just given him a new contract so why not ship him off on loan somewhere to get regular games? There's no doubt he has ability but he's in the mother of all slumps at present. Adam Mathews has been impressive everytime he's played so why does Cha come in?

Hooper and Stokes should never be broken up as a partnership (barring injuries) and with a midfield of Kayal, Brown, McCourt and Ki the centre half pairing is pretty much our immediate concern. Left back is fine when Izzy is fit and right back should belong to Mathews. although he's only 19 he's old enough going by early form.

[The Master]

SampFan101, on 26 August 2011 - 10:00, said:

I brought this up last week, Celtic could still be re-instated in the Group Stages because Sion were under a ban from FIFA from signing players and they played them in both legs. One of them was the guy that scored two of the three goals yesterday, Pascal Feidouno.

Platini has come out and admitted that Sion broke the rules - http://sport.stv.tv/...a-league-place/ The hearing is on Tuesday, where Celtic could be handed a 3-0 victory for the home leg, which would send them through.

The problem: Sion are in pot 4 for the group stage draw, whereas Celtic would have been in pot 2. So while a simple swap is the most likely outcome should Celtic find themselves reinstated, they'll be (on paper, at least) at a disadvantage.

[craigkillie]

The Master, on 26 August 2011 - 10:42, said:

Platini has come out and admitted that Sion broke the rules - http://sport.stv.tv/...a-league-place/ The hearing is on Tuesday, where Celtic could be handed a 3-0 victory for the home leg, which would send them through.

They surely broke the rules in both legs?

[The Master]

craigkillie, on 26 August 2011 - 18:46, said:

They surely broke the rules in both legs?

Well, yes, but 3-0 in the first leg is enough to take Celtic through, so UEFA might be inclined to just leave it there.

[EdTheDuck]

The Master, on 26 August 2011 - 10:42, said:

The problem: Sion are in pot 4 for the group stage draw, whereas Celtic would have been in pot 2. So while a simple swap is the most likely outcome should Celtic find themselves reinstated, they'll be (on paper, at least) at a disadvantage.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

[T_S_A_R]

i don't see it being as simple as that.

uefa registered the players for the games. they had to that because of the swiss court judgement, surely they will have to go through the swiss courts again?

edit - also i wonder what celtic have to say about platini making statements before the hearing? exactly the sort of thing they'd pull the sfa up about.

This post has been edited by T_S_A_R: 26 August 2011 - 19:49

[The Master]

T_S_A_R, on 26 August 2011 - 19:48, said:

Uefa registered the players for the games. they had to that because of the swiss court judgement, surely they will have to go through the swiss courts again?

Eh? UEFA have categorically stated that they are not bound by the Swiss courts. So I don't know where you've got that from.

[doulikefish]

The Genius, on 26 August 2011 - 10:30, said:

Awful performance! The bald Swede has to be shown the door. He can't tackle, can't header and positionally he is a bomb scare! Celtic should never be beaten by pish like that in Europe. We (and Rangers) should easily be taking care of sub-standard opposition the likes of which we were facing last night.

I'm probably one of Lennon's biggest fans but he simply HAS to start picking the right players. At the moment I would have Mulgrew in the centre with Wilson until we buy another centre half to replace the Swedish chump. Whether McCourt lasts a full 90mins at present is irrelevant. He has proved in the past that he can be a major influence on games and he deserves his chance to start. How do we know he can't last 90mins if he's never been given the chance??? Samaras has zero confidence and scores the square root of feck all. We've just given him a new contract so why not ship him off on loan somewhere to get regular games? There's no doubt he has ability but he's in the mother of all slumps at present. Adam Mathews has been impressive everytime he's played so why does Cha come in?

Hooper and Stokes should never be broken up as a partnership (barring injuries) and with a midfield of Kayal, Brown, McCourt and Ki the centre half pairing is pretty much our immediate concern. Left back is fine when Izzy is fit and right back should belong to Mathews. although he's only 19 he's old enough going by early form.

You should be screaming for his head,as you would with any other manager

[paul-r-cfc]

The Master, on 26 August 2011 - 20:24, said:

Eh? UEFA have categorically stated that they are not bound by the Swiss courts. So I don't know where you've got that from.

Surely the fact that the Swiss courts got involved will piss UEFA off even more.

Were an Italian side not close to getting punted by UEFA (possibly Juve?) after their relegation when they tried to appeal it in the italian courts?

[Green&White Zebra]

Okay, I've composed myself after locking myself away and hiding for a day.

Maybe it's a measure of how far standards have dropped in Scotland, but SIon looked a competent enough side to me. No thrills, just good enough to do the basics, which automatically makes them better than Celtic. I think it's also measure of how little Scottish football fans are learning (Celtic fans included), when a team like Sion is contemptuously dismissed beforehand. They are plainly better than any Scottish side, Celtic and Rangers apart (and even then !).

So then, giving them a goal and a man advantage almost straight from the kick-off meant that it was always going to be a tall order. As it turned out, the Hoops did okay for the most part, if you except the giving away cheap goals, which is kind of fundamental in the game.

I'd say that man for man, Celtic had the better players, but they look dreadfully short on confidence at this level. Almost scared to play a pass, which may explain the cheap goals. Unfortunately, NL looks as if the pressure's getting to him at present too.

In the end a depressing night (early morning for me I stayed up to 3.30 am to watch it), but not entirely unexpected.

[The Troll]

Green&White Zebra, on 27 August 2011 - 07:09, said:

Okay, I've composed myself after locking myself away and hiding for a day.

Maybe it's a measure of how far standards have dropped in Scotland, but SIon looked a competent enough side to me. No thrills, just good enough to do the basics, which automatically makes them better than Celtic. I think it's also measure of how little Scottish football fans are learning (Celtic fans included), when a team like Sion is contemptuously dismissed beforehand. They are plainly better than any Scottish side, Celtic and Rangers apart (and even then !).

Don't lump us all together now you lot have been shown as shite

[Green&White Zebra]

The Troll, on 27 August 2011 - 07:17, said:

Don't lump us all together now you lot have been shown as shite

Your point would have more credence if Celtic weren't within a point of winning the title last season.

[The Troll]

Green&White Zebra, on 27 August 2011 - 07:32, said:

Your point would have more credence if Celtic weren't within a point of winning the title last season.

How? Celtic have been found out as being shite in Europe (again), for long enough you try and separate yourself from Scottish football. It's nothing to do with us when you succeed in Europe, so it's nothing to do with us when you fail

[jupe1407]

Green&White Zebra, on 27 August 2011 - 07:32, said:

Your point would have more credence if Celtic weren't within a point of winning the title last season.

Finishing second in a two horse, financially boosted race means f**k all.

You're out (probably temporarily) because your Manager is a fucking clown. A decent manager, with the same squad of players at his disposal would almost certainly disposed of FC Sion.

[The Genius]

doulikefish, on 26 August 2011 - 20:29, said:

You should be screaming for his head,as you would with any other manager

A slight overreaction? Try and remember this is a game of football m8, it's hardly a life or death matter.


I'm not one that screams for managers to be sacked quickly. Every team tends to go through dodgy periods and not even the best are immune from it.

Lennon deserves time to get things right. Where would Man Utd be just now had they not given Ferguson time to get the team the way he wanted it? I don't think he won anything at all for about the first 5yrs! Says a lot for the board of Man U at that time.

I like the way we were playing from a football point of view (overall results aside) since Lennon took over. He likes to have his team pass the ball and emphasis is always on attack. As a Celtic fan this suits me down to the ground. Give him another year and a half from now at the earliest imho.