[Sonsteam of 08]

I thought clyde were meant to be leavin broadwood but i havent heard where they are going is anything confirmed yet?

[Snake Plissken]

Nobody knows,the club haven't commented on the situation for a while now,probably still be at Broadwood for the next 1-3 seasons and then who knows !

[Shawfield Stallion]

I think I remember the timescale of within 3-5 years being quoted, while the board either find a suitable groundshare or more likely seek out a location for a new stadium. Where is anyone's guess - Cumbernauld, East Kilbride and Glasgow seem the most likely areas but more generally I think it could be anywhere in 'West Central Scotland' really

[joejag]

Shawfield Stallion, on 21 May 2011 - 09:05, said:

I think I remember the timescale of within 3-5 years being quoted, while the board either find a suitable groundshare or more likely seek out a location for a new stadium. Where is anyone's guess - Cumbernauld, East Kilbride and Glasgow seem the most likely areas but more generally I think it could be anywhere in 'West Central Scotland' really

If possible, you need to get back to Glasgow. I believe that Clyde are suffering now for the move to Cumbernauld.Long term a move back to Glasgow is surely your best option.

[third lanark]

joejag, on 21 May 2011 - 10:09, said:

If possible, you need to get back to Glasgow. I believe that Clyde are suffering now for the move to Cumbernauld.Long term a move back to Glasgow is surely your best option.

If Clydes attendances are suffering its because they were bottom of the third divison not because of Cumbernauld. Even then Clyde still easily have the best attendances in the third divison and would be one of the highest in the second divison if they were there.

You say a move to Glasgow, well our attendances are easily half what they were 6 years ago, Queens Park are usually about 500, sad to say the vast majority of the people in our city are always going to support the old firm. If you look at Clydes attendances in the last couple of years at Shawfield they were less than what they get at Broadwood.

Clyde may well have cr@p attendances at Broadwood but thats because Scottish football is dying just like attendances are falling everywhere else and that hehaw to do with clubs playing in Glasgow, East Kilbride or Cumbernauld its because people in the country are sadly switching off from Scottish football as a whole.

This post has been edited by third lanark: 21 May 2011 - 10:53

[Pride Of The Clyde]

third lanark, on 21 May 2011 - 10:52, said:

If Clydes attendances are suffering its because they were bottom of the third divison not because of Cumbernauld. Even then Clyde still easily have the best attendances in the third divison and would be one of the highest in the second divison if they were there.

You say a move to Glasgow, well our attendances are easily half what they were 6 years ago, Queens Park are usually about 500, sad to say the vast majority of the people in our city are always going to support the old firm. If you look at Clydes attendances in the last couple of years at Shawfield they were less than what they get at Broadwood.

Clyde may well have cr@p attendances at Broadwood but thats because Scottish football is dying just like attendances are falling everywhere else and that hehaw to do with clubs playing in Glasgow, East Kilbride or Cumbernauld its because people in the country are sadly switching off from Scottish football as a whole.

Totally agree.
The quality of Scottish football is dreadful all the way from the top division to the bottom and less and less people want to part with their money to watch it especially when they can subscribe to sky and watch the top teams in England and Spain.

[HibeeJibee]

third lanark, on 21 May 2011 - 10:52, said:

You say a move to Glasgow, well our attendances are easily half what they were 6 years ago, Queens Park are usually about 500, sad to say the vast majority of the people in our city are always going to support the old firm. If you look at Clydes attendances in the last couple of years at Shawfield they were less than what they get at Broadwood.

That's why I never understand the calls for Clyde to return to Glasgow. It only works if there's a large pool of extant Clyde fans, in Glasgow, who won't go to Cumbernauld / but would go to a new ground in the city (which in itself has cost issues). No-one would dream of starting a new league club in Glasgow.

third lanark, on 21 May 2011 - 10:52, said:

Clyde may well have cr@p attendances at Broadwood but thats because Scottish football is dying just like attendances are falling everywhere else and that hehaw to do with clubs playing in Glasgow, East Kilbride or Cumbernauld its because people in the country are sadly switching off from Scottish football as a whole.

Scottish football is not "dying", and the myth on attendances remain exactly that. In the top 2 divisions, crowds fell 1.8% and 2%... no doubt much due to the recession - and the terrible winter (meaning lots of midweeks). In the bottom 2 divisions, crowds rose 25.1% (helped by the addition of Livingston) and 0.2% (despite the loss of Livingston), so they're not falling at all in the part-time levels, they're actually growing.

This post has been edited by HibeeJibee: 21 May 2011 - 13:50

[Jack Burton]

We still have around 20 years left on the lease at Broadwood so I cant see us leaving for a number of years yet as we wont be debt free until 2014/15 and havent identified a suitable site for the new ground. Ideally, we would be getting out of Broadwood asap as we make nothing from the ground bar the gate receipts and seem to have to employ a ridiculous number of stewards compared to other second/third division teams.

The crowds at Broadwood arent falling we averaged 695 this season and around 700 the season previous. If it hadnt been for the amount of midweek games this year then the chances are the attendances would have been slightly up.

In terms of where we move, I really dont know where would be best. We do still have a large number of our fans based in Glasgow and the away crowds we have taken to Queen's Park twice and Partick Thistle were just about the same as what we got for some home games. However, I would say that the majority of our younger supports are from Cumbernauld and the surrounding area. Its a difficult one for the club wherever we go will please some fans but anger others due to the location split in our fanbase.

[Mushroom]

I still think a new site in Cumbernauld or somewhere nearby is still the best option. The fans which originally have come from Rutherglen are scattered all over the place now, and a good chunk of the younger generation does seem to be from Cumbernauld.

Could be here all day about where Clyde should have moved in the 90's, maybe East Kilbride would have been better, but it didn't happen and we have to play with the cards we have at the moment.

Just as people exited parts of Glasgow into the overspill towns, it does make sense that a football team moved as part of this exodus.

[CasperJarrot]

Clyde made a mistake moving out of Glasgow in the first place and made a bigger mistake when they never included the name Cumbernauld in their title when they arrived at Broadwood.

Pollocks stadium holds 4000. Would it not be worth the 2 clubs considering ground sharing and upgrading the pitch into a 4G so that it can be used for 2 or 3 games a week ?


Just a suggestion.

[Jack Burton]

We need a ground of our own rather than groundsharing to make money from 5 a side pitches, functions etc. either that or if we did groundshare then everything would have to be split 50/50. Am pretty sure that you cant ground share with a team outwith the league setup and I have no idea if Pollocks ground is up to SFL standard or that they would want to grounshare with us in the first place.

[David W]

No point going back to Glasgow or Rutherglen unless we get a magic deal. East Kilbride might be better than a relocation in Cumbernauld but only if we start well to take advantage of any initial interest. Ultimately we need somewhere with good transport links and in a residential area; that's more important than nostalgia.

[HibeeJibee]

Considering Pollock doesn't have floodlights (which Cmontheloknow has previously suggested would be problematic to get permission for), or a seated stand, I imagine that would be pretty unlikely to be judged suitable for SFL use. Plus Clyde would have to get primacy of use, which Pollock might not be happy with.

If Cumbernauld has failed, why will EK work?

[Mushroom]

HibeeJibee, on 22 May 2011 - 22:00, said:

Considering Pollock doesn't have floodlights (which Cmontheloknow has previously suggested would be problematic to get permission for), or a seated stand, I imagine that would be pretty unlikely to be judged suitable for SFL use. Plus Clyde would have to get primacy of use, which Pollock might not be happy with.

If Cumbernauld has failed, why will EK work?

I would make the case that Cumbernauld hasn't failed, crowds have increased from the final years at Shawfield, and even now with the clubs lowest ever finish, I believe we're still drawing bigger/similar crowds (although I don't have the figures to hand)

Broadwood is the problem, not Cumbernauld.

[qpsnapper]

HibeeJibee, on 22 May 2011 - 22:00, said:

Considering Pollock doesn't have floodlights (which Cmontheloknow has previously suggested would be problematic to get permission for), or a seated stand, I imagine that would be pretty unlikely to be judged suitable for SFL use. Plus Clyde would have to get primacy of use, which Pollock might not be happy with.

Would also think the pitch would be below the minimum size, hemmed in so it would be hard to expand it either.

[C. Muir]

CasperJarrot, on 21 May 2011 - 19:26, said:

Clyde made a mistake moving out of Glasgow in the first place and made a bigger mistake when they never included the name Cumbernauld in their title when they arrived at Broadwood.

Pollocks stadium holds 4000. Would it not be worth the 2 clubs considering ground sharing and upgrading the pitch into a 4G so that it can be used for 2 or 3 games a week ?


Just a suggestion.

Is that some sort of sick joke? In what way would playing in a place where next to no Clyde fans live benefit us? Yes there are decent, regular transport links from Glasgow but still, no.

HibeeJibee, on 22 May 2011 - 22:00, said:

If Cumbernauld has failed, why will EK work?

Like Mushroom said, it's Broadwood that's the problem, not Cumbernauld. Even when we were promotion chasing in the first division, Broadwood was far, far too big for us.

This post has been edited by C. Muir: 23 May 2011 - 09:27

[ScottR96]

C. Muir, on 23 May 2011 - 09:26, said:

Is that some sort of sick joke? In what way would playing in a place where next to no Clyde fans live benefit us? Yes there are decent, regular transport links from Glasgow but still, no.

Pollock is close to the likes of Rutherglen where there are a decent amount of Clyde supporters.

[Milevskiy]

Can we wrap all this Junior team pish, Mushroom's right on the money and if we have any sense we'll stay somewhere in Cumbernauld.

[Jack Burton]

HibeeJibee, on 22 May 2011 - 22:00, said:

Considering Pollock doesn't have floodlights (which Cmontheloknow has previously suggested would be problematic to get permission for), or a seated stand, I imagine that would be pretty unlikely to be judged suitable for SFL use. Plus Clyde would have to get primacy of use, which Pollock might not be happy with.

If Cumbernauld has failed, why will EK work?

That's my thoughts on EK as well neither ourselves or Livingston get substantial crowds in the new towns so I fail to see how EK would be different. I'm sure it would be the same as when we first moved to Broadwood we would get large crowds which would then fall away. If we hit the ground running then we might be able to keep hold of more of them than we did at Broadwood. Livingston do average about 500 fans more than we do but they have been in the SPL, won the CIS Cup and played in Europe but they have been in adminstration and have run up debts of £900K again so we shouldnt be looking to follow their lead.

Same as the other Clyde fans, I wouldnt consider Cumbernauld a failure. Cumbernauld is full of Old Firm fans and as such building a fan base was always going to be a slow process. There are more younsters supporting Clyde when I was at school you were lucky if you had one Clyde fan in a class now you might get two or three. If we engaged the community more then our crowds would go up a bit, we were averaging over 1,000 for our first few home games this season when effort was made to promote the club and the season ticket deals. Our new structure of being a CIC, should hopefully make us more visible in Cumbernauld and there is a piece on the official site about a football gala day they just held at Broadwood for younsters.

I would prefer us to stay in Cumbernauld as well as that is where our new fanbase will come from. I believe the Glasgow fans still out number the Cumbernauld ones but the majority of season tickets sold to under twelves where from Cumbernauld.

This post has been edited by Jack Burton: 23 May 2011 - 12:56

[WILLIEA]

Clyde should have moved to EK as soon as they left Shawfield. Too late now 'tho.
Probably best to stay in Cumbernauld and build from there.

[Mushroom]

Milevskiy, on 23 May 2011 - 12:17, said:

Can we wrap all this Junior team pish, Mushroom's right on the money and if we have any sense we'll stay somewhere in Cumbernauld.

I am still slightly amazed that there are people who still see that as a plausible option.

The grounds are too small, the pitches are too small, there are floodlight issues at most grounds, there are rules against that sort of thing and groundsharing defeats the entire point of leaving Broadwood.

[Milevskiy]

Mushroom, on 23 May 2011 - 13:18, said:

I am still slightly amazed that there are people who still see that as a plausible option.

The grounds are too small, the pitches are too small, there are floodlight issues at most grounds, there are rules against that sort of thing and groundsharing defeats the entire point of leaving Broadwood.

Only way groundsharing would be an option is if the rent was cheaper than what Broadwood is/will be

[Pride Of The Clyde]

Moving to EK is the only way forward and a fresh start with any chance of attracting new fans if lessons have been learned from our disastrous stay in Cumbernauld.

[ScottR96]

For the record, I was not saying that moving to Newlandsfield was a good idea. I was merely pointing out that it's not a place where no Clyde fans live. AWRITE?

[C. Muir]

ScottR96, on 23 May 2011 - 13:41, said:

For the record, I was not saying that moving to Newlandsfield was a good idea. I was merely pointing out that it's not a place where no Clyde fans live. AWRITE?

I burst out laughing in the library when i saw that last bit Look and feel like a retard now.