[Davie Bhoy]

codfish, on 18 March 2010 - 22:39, said:

Davie, Rangers haven't sold their original allocation, so your arguement is bollocks. No "real fans" are missing out on Sunday.

I'd be very surprised if that is indeed the case. Facts are that the rangers web-site is saying that there is 'Very Limited availability' for cup final tickets. Now given that they got an extra 3000 tickets I'd say that would explain why. If they hadn't sold out their original tickets why would they accept 3000 more tickets?

[Davie Bhoy]

chico, on 18 March 2010 - 21:30, said:

wah wah wah...

aye they're not called the old firm for nothing..

It's nothing do with the Old Firm. Pretty sad that you can't take a genuine point being made without getting all petty about it.

Fact is if you want your club to be treated with contempt by these tossers that'll be in your end on final day with their club coloured wigs and face paint on and who haven't been to a St Mirren game since 1. Your farewell game at Love St, 2. Your first game at New Love St, 3. Since your Scottish Cup Final game in 87. Then continue to champion their cause and fight for tickets for them, safe in the knowledge that that as soon as the game is over they'll disappear to were they were hiding before. Sure if by chance you win the cup they'll come out for the trophy parade but they'll still disappear.

As a fan who wants to see Scottish Football thrive that saddens me.

[Captain_Sensible]

Law Stud, on 19 March 2010 - 11:53, said:

It's quite frightening how much money was wasted on turgid rubbish, isn't it Captain. You'd think if a club were to increase the wage budget by so much that there would be some sort of element of improvement on the pitch - unless ofcourse a large part of that wage bill came in off the pitch positions.....

Despite the large increase in wages Stuart we still have the second lowest wage budget in the SPL - and hey presto, we're second bottom of the league.

We've spent £4.9m on wages over the past 2 seasons. Dunfermline - mid table in the First Division - have spent £5.0m in wages over the same time period. Gives you an idea of what we are up against.

[Captain_Sensible]

Davie Bhoy, on 20 March 2010 - 11:21, said:

I'd be very surprised if that is indeed the case. Facts are that the rangers web-site is saying that there is 'Very Limited availability' for cup final tickets. Now given that they got an extra 3000 tickets I'd say that would explain why. If they hadn't sold out their original tickets why would they accept 3000 more tickets?

They were still advertising tickets for open sale before St. Mirren gave up their 3,000 allocation.

I'm sure if Rangers had sold out a while ago while St. Mirren still had first dabs on the 3,000 then they would have pressure put on them to give up the option.

The fact is that youy jumped in to make a point without knowing the facts. Your entire post was wrong, incorrect and irrelevant.

[Captain_Sensible]

chico, on 20 March 2010 - 08:56, said:

Yawn..

Getting back into the SPL pretty much got saints out the shite. Dunno whether Love Street actually had to be sold as debts were going down.. But hey ho, it happened.

I've no idea wher you get that idea from.

Here have been St. Mirren's operating profits / losses over recent seasons:

2000 - £35k LOSS
2001 - £62k profit
2002 - £14k profit
2003 - £15k profit
2004 - £213k LOSS
2005 - £54k LOSS
2006 - £28k profit
2007 - £277k profit
2008 - £112k LOSS

So in total, in the 9 years until we sold Love Street we had made an overall LOSS of £18k!

The debt was NOT going down. In addition, Love Street was falling to bits and the maintenance costs were huge and were going to continue escalating. I had a tour of the inside of old Main Stand the year before we moved. It was a total wreck. Where I sat in the Main Stand was a disaster. The place was just a pigstye. There is no way we could have continued like that for years to come. The corporate hospitality capacity was also limited. The accounts show that commercial income in 2009 jumped from £477k to £631k and that was after just half a season at the new ground!

Selling Love Street enabled us to clear £3m debts which would never have been cleared otherwise. Its built us a brand new stadium with limited maintenance costs that will last for decades to come. Its increase corporate hospitality capacity and hence income. Its bringing in income from the 5 a side pitches. We now have a car park that provides income. Its funded a brand new training ground. It funded some overspending in the past 2 season which has helped keep us in the SPL. Its cut out the interest on the debts we were paying. And its also left the club with a lot of ground for development - such as the large bank of land across the road behind the away fans stand.

Selling Love Street was a an absolute masterstroke.

[Davie Bhoy]

Captain_Sensible, on 20 March 2010 - 11:42, said:

They were still advertising tickets for open sale before St. Mirren gave up their 3,000 allocation.

I'm sure if Rangers had sold out a while ago while St. Mirren still had first dabs on the 3,000 then they would have pressure put on them to give up the option.

The fact is that youy jumped in to make a point without knowing the facts. Your entire post was wrong, incorrect and irrelevant.

Not quite sure I believe that but I suppose we'll see tomorrow or not if Rangers sell out their crowd. If they do sell out their section including the extra 3000 tickets then my point will be valid

P.S my point isn't just about this final but in every final like this when smaller clubs (not inc Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs) face either Celtic or Rangers in a Cup Final. so it's nothing to do with jumping in without knowing the facts.

[codfish]

Davie Bhoy, on 20 March 2010 - 11:21, said:

I'd be very surprised if that is indeed the case. Facts are that the rangers web-site is saying that there is 'Very Limited availability' for cup final tickets. Now given that they got an extra 3000 tickets I'd say that would explain why. If they hadn't sold out their original tickets why would they accept 3000 more tickets?

I checked their site before I posted - the limited availability included £28 tickets, which were only ever available to Rangers supporters. As much as I'd have loved to see 17000 St Mirren fans/part timers/hangers on there, it's factually incorrect that our allocation prevented Rangers fans getting tickets in the original sale.

[The Idiot Bástard Son]

trevisparky, on 16 March 2010 - 13:56, said:

below is a copy of what is required, from st.mirren offical website forum.


posted by another member.




The traditional home colours of St. Mirren are black and white strips,
however for the first season the colours were scarlet and blue

I protest at the sad state of our club... (on reflection we are not sad at all but in pretty good condition - just in need of some TLC)
I will wear my black and white with pride at the cup final next sunday.
After that I will not and will look out a scarlet and blue scarf in protest as a plea for change at the way our club is being run. I know times are hard and we must make ends meet but can we not push on just a wee bit, take a tiny risk, be more positive,
We must all buck up our ideas in all areas of the club - from the ownership issue to the manager. (including support)
(Ownership issue - sorry it has not been sorted out yet, was led to believe it was going to happen before January,
Not heard anything since so feel left in limbo,
Supporting the board in their desire to move on, thanks for getting us to where we are. Raising the profile
of desire to move on may assist with process.
Is There a split - is this helping?
Will support the board if they change their mind and decide to stay on - but again we are in limbo.

Wear scarlet and Blue until the club is sold - support the team but put pressure on the BOD to go!
Pressure = help

Is this a Barcelona thing......?

[The Idiot Bástard Son]

Captain_Sensible, on 20 March 2010 - 11:54, said:

I've no idea wher you get that idea from.

Here have been St. Mirren's operating profits / losses over recent seasons:

2000 - £35k LOSS
2001 - £62k profit
2002 - £14k profit
2003 - £15k profit
2004 - £213k LOSS
2005 - £54k LOSS
2006 - £28k profit
2007 - £277k profit
2008 - £112k LOSS

So in total, in the 9 years until we sold Love Street we had made an overall LOSS of £18k!

The debt was NOT going down. In addition, Love Street was falling to bits and the maintenance costs were huge and were going to continue escalating. I had a tour of the inside of old Main Stand the year before we moved. It was a total wreck. Where I sat in the Main Stand was a disaster. The place was just a pigstye. There is no way we could have continued like that for years to come. The corporate hospitality capacity was also limited. The accounts show that commercial income in 2009 jumped from £477k to £631k and that was after just half a season at the new ground!

Selling Love Street enabled us to clear £3m debts which would never have been cleared otherwise. Its built us a brand new stadium with limited maintenance costs that will last for decades to come. Its increase corporate hospitality capacity and hence income. Its bringing in income from the 5 a side pitches. We now have a car park that provides income. Its funded a brand new training ground. It funded some overspending in the past 2 season which has helped keep us in the SPL. Its cut out the interest on the debts we were paying. And its also left the club with a lot of ground for development - such as the large bank of land across the road behind the away fans stand.

Selling Love Street was a an absolute masterstroke.

Ah, don't worry, Captain. This is Chico on a good day:-

Attached File(s)

•  Chico.jpg (17.68K)
  Number of downloads: 1

[Law Stud]

Just posting from my iPhone from my Spa - Sunderland v Birmingham was a brilliant game of football. As well as 4 superb goals Craig Gordon and Joe Hart had several world class saves. On top of that the treatment I have received from everyone down here from the moment I arrived has been absolutely fantastic.

In contrast St Mirren v Rangers at Hampden.....

[ford prefect]

Law Stud, on 21 March 2010 - 07:22, said:

Just posting from my iPhone from my Spa - Sunderland v Birmingham was a brilliant game of football. As well as 4 superb goals Craig Gordon and Joe Hart had several world class saves. On top of that the treatment I have received from everyone down here from the moment I arrived has been absolutely fantastic.

In contrast St Mirren v Rangers at Hampden.....

Good for you

[BuddieinEK]

Law Stud, on 21 March 2010 - 07:22, said:

Just posting from my iPhone from my Spa - Sunderland v Birmingham was a brilliant game of football. As well as 4 superb goals Craig Gordon and Joe Hart had several world class saves. On top of that the treatment I have received from everyone down here from the moment I arrived has been absolutely fantastic.

In contrast St Mirren v Rangers at Hampden.....

just wait till they get to know you!

please... ... just wait!!!!!

[The Real Zippy]

BuddieinEK, on 21 March 2010 - 08:51, said:

just wait till they get to know you!

please... ... just wait!!!!!

Do not feed the troll.................................... .........

[chico]

Davie Bhoy, on 20 March 2010 - 11:31, said:

It's nothing do with the Old Firm. Pretty sad that you can't take a genuine point being made without getting all petty about it.

Fact is if you want your club to be treated with contempt by these tossers that'll be in your end on final day with their club coloured wigs and face paint on and who haven't been to a St Mirren game since 1. Your farewell game at Love St, 2. Your first game at New Love St, 3. Since your Scottish Cup Final game in 87. Then continue to champion their cause and fight for tickets for them, safe in the knowledge that that as soon as the game is over they'll disappear to were they were hiding before. Sure if by chance you win the cup they'll come out for the trophy parade but they'll still disappear.

As a fan who wants to see Scottish Football thrive that saddens me.

so you're calling the friends and family of all the regular st mirren fans gloryhunters?

[Davie Bhoy]

chico, on 21 March 2010 - 09:23, said:

so you're calling the friends and family of all the regular st mirren fans gloryhunters?

Yes I am. The ones that never bother with St Mirren any other time but then turn up for the 'occasion' cos St Mirren might win something. I'd say that pretty much defines 'glory hunting'. If it's about having a family day out then there are umpteen other places they could do it. fun parks, the beach, the cinema etc etc.

I find it funny how fans of the wee teams such as yourself can whinge about fans who follow Celtic & Rangers being glory hunters, yet when a cup final comes around and you get 8000 EXTRA fans coming along & supporting you it's not deemed glory hunting. Just tart it up as a 'family day' or a 'special occasion'. No matter which way you dress it, it's glory hunting. Your crowds increase 4 fold but hey....it's not glory hunting.

At least if you condemned these fans and argued against them getting tickets for a major cup final, your argument against Old Firm glory hunters would look credible.


P.S good luck today

[Law Stud]

I get where your coming from Davie but even the Old Firm use these days to introduce kids to their fanbase

[Davie Bhoy]

Law Stud, on 21 March 2010 - 12:42, said:

I get where your coming from Davie but even the Old Firm use these days to introduce kids to their fanbase

Your joking right mate. Celtic never use cup finals to introduce kids to the database as they never have enough tickets to satisfy their regular fans never mind potential new fans regardless of their age.

We tend to try things like the coaching in the community etc. Although lets be honest, Celtic & Rangers don't really need to attract kids to their clubs do they.

[Law Stud]

Davie Bhoy, on 22 March 2010 - 17:07, said:

Your joking right mate. Celtic never use cup finals to introduce kids to the database as they never have enough tickets to satisfy their regular fans never mind potential new fans regardless of their age.

We tend to try things like the coaching in the community etc. Although lets be honest, Celtic & Rangers don't really need to attract kids to their clubs do they.

They do really. They have to introduce them to the experience of paying money to watch the game live in person. Otherwise you get the situation where there's a generation of fans who think supporting their football club is watching the occasional game on ESPN whilst supping on Buckfast.

I can't talk so much for Celtic but I know for a fact that kids who support Rangers are often introduced to going to matches like the Cup Final yesterday or to Semi Finals because those are the matches they can generally get tickets for.

[Simplistic]

wearing claret and blue? I think this is all a front to support whitehill in their push for the east of Scotland premier.

time to move on pandas!!