[Law Stud]

The Real Zippy, on 18 March 2010 - 20:22, said:

I'd sooner go to Florida in that case than spending £800 sitting in a soulless football ground in a no mark North East shanty town.

It doesn't cover the flights dafty...

And souless ground? In the North East of England? You really do know f**k all.

[vikingTON]

Law Stud, on 18 March 2010 - 19:17, said:

Really ....it would only cover one nights accommodation in the hotels I go to in Florida. You must have some right shite holidays.

I thought you had a timeshare in the middle of a Florida swamp? The lies stack up.

[Frank Booth]

Davie Bhoy, on 18 March 2010 - 20:18, said:

The point still stands though...

Blah blah blah...or we could all be sanctimonious glory hunting bhigots like you who, despite growing up and living within the shadow of Shawfield, you chose to support Sellick.

STFU

[Law Stud]

vikingTON, on 18 March 2010 - 20:27, said:

I thought you had a timeshare in the middle of a Florida swamp? The lies stack up.

Have a look for yourself.

2 bedroom suite - Animal Kingdom Lodge - a DVC property. $1485 per night for two adults sharing.

http://www.mousesave....html#aklsuites

Never mind Viking Ton, save hard, work hard and one day you might make it to Disneyland Paris....

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[vikingTON]

Law Stud, on 18 March 2010 - 20:33, said:

Have a look for yourself.

2 bedroom suite - Animal Kingdom Lodge - a DVC property. $1485 per night for two adults sharing.

http://www.mousesave....html#aklsuites

Never mind Viking Ton, save hard, work hard and one day you might make it to Disneyland Paris....

I wasn't questioning the price, I was questioning the irregularity between your 'I have a timeshare in a Florida swamp' with 'I go to a Florida hotel for x dollars a night'.

[Law Stud]

Frank Booth, on 18 March 2010 - 20:32, said:

Blah blah blah...or we could all be sanctimonious glory hunting bhigots like you who, despite growing up and living within the shadow of Shawfield, you chose to support Sellick.

STFU

But Frank, he does have a point. St Mirren, Hearts and St Johnstone will all gain financially from a sell out final. The fact that St Mirren have fucked about wondering if they can sell them or not before eventually releasing these 3,000 tickets to Rangers means that a potential £84,000 has been squandered unless Rangers fans bail them out again.

[Law Stud]

vikingTON, on 18 March 2010 - 20:35, said:

I wasn't questioning the price, I was questioning the irregularity between your 'I have a timeshare in a Florida swamp' with 'I go to a Florida hotel for x dollars a night'.

Disney DVC is a timeshare which allows you to stay in their Deluxe hotels on a timeshare basis. Have a look at http://www.dvcmember.com

Oh aye incidentally four of the DVC hotels are on the AAA's top 20 in America listing.

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[buddie06smfc]

Davie Bhoy, on 18 March 2010 - 20:18, said:

Now as a Celtic fan that lived in England for 10 years that annoys the hell out of me. If I'd missed out on a ticket originally in the ballot and then only 3 days before the final I was told I could get one, it'd mean that the cost of travelling would have shot up between the original time I would have booked and now. It might mean I'd also agreed to go into work or do something else before or after the game and I'd then have to let others down...or worse still not be able to get out of it.

And that's the opposition clubs fault how?

[Davie Bhoy]

Frank Booth, on 18 March 2010 - 20:32, said:

Blah blah blah...or we could all be sanctimonious glory hunting bhigots like you who, despite growing up and living within the shadow of Shawfield, you chose to support Sellick.

STFU

That's a good point. It'd be an even better point if any of it was true though.

1. Glory Hunting Bigot? Well you lot go on about supporting your local team so given that apart from Shettleston Jrs, Celtic are my local team. They are my closest proffesional team.

2. While Shawfield was close...I'd have had to have walked past Celtic Park to get to Shawfield.

3. GIRUY and check yer facts next time before making a c**t of yourself

[Davie Bhoy]

buddie06smfc, on 18 March 2010 - 20:48, said:

And that's the opposition clubs fault how?

Well simply because if St Mirren didn't bend over backwards to obtain tickets for fans (use the term loosely) who have no time for the club any other time and only asked for enough tickets to accomodate their real fans then more tickets could go to the other side who will have real fans missing out. If there are 3000 tickets for the other team then some fans from further flung places who wanted a ticket for the match and who missed out first time around might get one to begin with.

[chico]

Davie Bhoy, on 18 March 2010 - 21:20, said:

Well simply because if St Mirren didn't bend over backwards to obtain tickets for fans (use the term loosely) who have no time for the club any other time and only asked for enough tickets to accomodate their real fans then more tickets could go to the other side who will have real fans missing out. If there are 3000 tickets for the other team then some fans from further flung places who wanted a ticket for the match and who missed out first time around might get one to begin with.

wah wah wah...

aye they're not called the old firm for nothing..

[MarreZ]

Davie Bhoy, on 18 March 2010 - 20:18, said:

The point still stands though. In todays paper it says that Rangers will get 3000 more tickets as St Mirren couldn't sell all their allocation and so haven't taken up the 3000 extra that they could have had.

Now as a Celtic fan that lived in England for 10 years that annoys the hell out of me. If I'd missed out on a ticket originally in the ballot and then only 3 days before the final I was told I could get one, it'd mean that the cost of travelling would have shot up between the original time I would have booked and now. It might mean I'd also agreed to go into work or do something else before or after the game and I'd then have to let others down...or worse still not be able to get out of it.

You then have a situation were your getting loyal fans mucked about and those who don't give a shit about Scottish football/St Mirren are being treated better. IMHO that's just wrong.

12000 St Mirren fans being at the game, sell out or not is annoying for me as a neutral and also for some St Mirren fans WHO DO SUPPORT THEIR TEAM it would seem. You could fit all those fans into your ground and still have a waiting list for tickets.

That is terrible, imagine inconveniencing 3000 old firm fans.

Wait, whats the problem here?

[codfish]

Law Stud, on 18 March 2010 - 20:38, said:

But Frank, he does have a point. St Mirren, Hearts and St Johnstone will all gain financially from a sell out final. The fact that St Mirren have fucked about wondering if they can sell them or not before eventually releasing these 3,000 tickets to Rangers means that a potential £84,000 has been squandered unless Rangers fans bail them out again.

According to a Rangers season-ticket holder in my work, they haven't sold their allocation out either, and have spaces in the North and South stands. Nothing has been squandered if they still have their original allocation available.

The reason the game won't be a sell out is the ridiculous prices being charged by the SFL - for an extra £4 (I'm behind the goals on Sunday) I can watch Everton v Bolton the day before. Sums up Scottish football perfectly.

[codfish]

Davie Bhoy, on 18 March 2010 - 21:20, said:

Well simply because if St Mirren didn't bend over backwards to obtain tickets for fans (use the term loosely) who have no time for the club any other time and only asked for enough tickets to accomodate their real fans then more tickets could go to the other side who will have real fans missing out. If there are 3000 tickets for the other team then some fans from further flung places who wanted a ticket for the match and who missed out first time around might get one to begin with.

Davie, Rangers haven't sold their original allocation, so your arguement is bollocks. No "real fans" are missing out on Sunday.

[LordHawHaw]

I hope St Mirren fans have got this internal strife sorted before midweek, first time I've visited the new stadium and don't want it ruined by protests and punch ups in the home sections of the ground

[BuddieinEK]

codfish, on 18 March 2010 - 22:36, said:

According to a Rangers season-ticket holder in my work, they haven't sold their allocation out either, and have spaces in the North and South stands. Nothing has been squandered if they still have their original allocation available.

The reason the game won't be a sell out is the ridiculous prices being charged by the SFL - for an extra £4 (I'm behind the goals on Sunday) I can watch Everton v Bolton the day before. Sums up Scottish football perfectly.

agree 100% Coddy

I am bringing along two of my friends boys who love football and have regularly come along to Saints matches... ...
one is 17... the other 12

I had to pay £56 for their two tickets as I didn't want to sit behind the goals!!!

Some incentive!

[Law Stud]

codfish, on 18 March 2010 - 22:36, said:

According to a Rangers season-ticket holder in my work, they haven't sold their allocation out either, and have spaces in the North and South stands. Nothing has been squandered if they still have their original allocation available.

The reason the game won't be a sell out is the ridiculous prices being charged by the SFL - for an extra £4 (I'm behind the goals on Sunday) I can watch Everton v Bolton the day before. Sums up Scottish football perfectly.

Oh I know, for £18 LESS I can watch Sunderland v Birmingham City - however as Captain keeps saying this is a once in a generation opportunity for St Mirren fans to see their team in a National Cup Final. To then only sell 12,000 tickets and for fans to shift the blame onto the SFL over pricing, rather than just realising that St Mirren cannot muster a decent support, even for the biggest of occasions, is ludicrous.

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[codfish]

Law Stud, on 18 March 2010 - 22:53, said:

Oh I know, for £18 LESS I can watch Sunderland v Birmingham City - however as Captain keeps saying this is a once in a generation opportunity for St Mirren fans to see their team in a National Cup Final. To then only sell 12,000 tickets and for fans to shift the blame onto the SFL over pricing, rather than just realising that St Mirren cannot muster a decent support, even for the biggest of occasions, is ludicrous.

Come on Stuart, that's poor even by your standards. Granted, I agree about the value for money aspect, but you know as well as I do that had we sold our full allocation you'd be on here slating the hangers-on that don't go week in week out! (as it stands we're taking approximately 3 times our average home support). I'm not shifting the blame - I'm going in spite of the pricing because it's the first time I'll see my club in a national final. I'm sure you were the same in '87 before your dummy was spat out

[codfish]

BuddieinEK, on 18 March 2010 - 22:52, said:

agree 100% Coddy

I am bringing along two of my friends boys who love football and have regularly come along to Saints matches... ...
one is 17... the other 12

I had to pay £56 for their two tickets as I didn't want to sit behind the goals!!!

Some incentive!

Yeah, that's a fairly typical SFA/SPL policy - seems that sticking the cheaper kids seats in the worst part of the ground will encourage families along to games at Hampden...

[Law Stud]

codfish, on 18 March 2010 - 22:59, said:

Come on Stuart, that's poor even by your standards. Granted, I agree about the value for money aspect, but you know as well as I do that had we sold our full allocation you'd be on here slating the hangers-on that don't go week in week out! (as it stands we're taking approximately 3 times our average home support). I'm not shifting the blame - I'm going in spite of the pricing because it's the first time I'll see my club in a national final. I'm sure you were the same in '87 before your dummy was spat out

Ach rubbish Codfish - I have never castigated hangers on. I've got a far bigger problem with the stupid people who would turn them away. Football needs the money that so called hangers on bring in and if you don't have hangers on around your club you are never going to recruit new loyal supporters.

Oh and in 1987 I would never have dreamt of missing my team in a Cup Final - and the SFA could have charged me £200 for that ticket - I would still have paid and it would still have been one of the best days of my life. I can't believe that St Mirren fans in particular are moaning about ticket price - even if it is outrageous.

Ofcourse, when St Mirren lose I'll be on here gloating and suggesting perhaps you should all have done as I am doing, and going to Sunderland to watch a quality team play Birmingham City for £10 a ticket. But that shouldn't detract from the point that it is bizarre that a St Mirren fan should use the £28 price tag as a reason to miss a once in a generation event.

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[codfish]

Law Stud, on 18 March 2010 - 23:26, said:

Ach rubbish Codfish - I have never castigated hangers on. I've got a far bigger problem with the stupid people who would turn them away. Football needs the money that so called hangers on bring in and if you don't have hangers on around your club you are never going to recruit new loyal supporters.

In fairness, that's probably true.

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Oh and in 1987 I would never have dreamt of missing my team in a Cup Final - and the SFA could have charged me £200 for that ticket - I would still have paid and it would still have been one of the best days of my life. I can't believe that St Mirren fans in particular are moaning about ticket price - even if it is outrageous.

The pricing issue links in with the quality of the football on show though, as well as the TV aspect and the fact that we've faced Rangers what feels like every second week this season. I genuinely don't think that any St Mirren supporters or Rangers supporters that actually want to go to the game will miss out, but encouraging someone with a passing interest in either side is near impossible (my girlfriend's only going because I've paid for the ticket!) at £28 for a South Stand seat or £24 behind the goals.

Might not be the worst thing for Scottish football in general if there's empty seats, as long as someone clicks that it might have something to do with cost.

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Ofcourse, when St Mirren lose I'll be on here gloating and suggesting perhaps you should all have done as I am doing, and going to Sunderland to watch a quality team play Birmingham City for £10 a ticket. But that shouldn't detract from the point that it is bizarre that a St Mirren fan should use the £28 price tag as a reason to miss a once in a generation event.

I wouldn't expect anything less, although calling this season's Sunderland side "quality" is pushing it!

[Law Stud]

codfish, on 18 March 2010 - 23:37, said:

In fairness, that's probably true.



The pricing issue links in with the quality of the football on show though, as well as the TV aspect and the fact that we've faced Rangers what feels like every second week this season. I genuinely don't think that any St Mirren supporters or Rangers supporters that actually want to go to the game will miss out, but encouraging someone with a passing interest in either side is near impossible (my girlfriend's only going because I've paid for the ticket!) at £28 for a South Stand seat or £24 behind the goals.

Might not be the worst thing for Scottish football in general if there's empty seats, as long as someone clicks that it might have something to do with cost.



I wouldn't expect anything less, although calling this season's Sunderland side "quality" is pushing it!

Well to deal with the last bit first - comparing St Mirren and Sunderland - I know which of the two has more quality. I would hope you would too - after all we're talking about internationalists like Darren Bent, Andy Reid, Alan Hutton and Craig Gordon against mud trudgers like John Potter, David Barron, Garry Brady and Billy Mehmet.

As for the point on price - if St Mirren fans wanted to protest about pricing they should have started at St Mirren Park. £20 - £22 to watch the shite you have to put up with is ridiculous. Arguing that fans staying away from a National Final because the SFL have the audacity to charge an extra £2 per ticket is farcical.

Don't get me wrong - SPL prices are an absolute rip off. I was at Hamilton last Saturday and I couldn't believe they charged £22 and then restricted where you could sit. If I'm paying those rates I expect to have plenty of space, especially in an empty stadium. I also expect not to have to sit close to some pissed up football fan screaming abuse at referee's for 90 minutes. I also expect to be able to use whatever of the two exits I want to use.

However, St Mirren's failure to sell more than 12,000 tickets for a once in a generation event is more indicative of failures in THEIR policies, in their prices for childrens admission, and in their poor marketing to local kids rather than the SFL charging a few quid extra.

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[Demented Zebra]

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St Mirren chairman Stewart Gilmour last night insisted that SPL survival is more critical to the club than winning the Co-operative Insurance Cup.
The Paisley chief has struggled to contain a dispute with Saints players over appearance money and cancelled plans for a post-match party following Sunday's final against Rangers.
Defending the board against charges of parsimony, however, Gilmour - still seeking a buyer for the club - has revealed the fear factor that grips the club as they wrestle with a dire financial outlook for the year ahead.
Struggling to contain a wage bill which has risen sharply in recent years, the Buddies chairman insists relegation would be like 'falling off the edge of the moon'.
Still stricken by the collapse of Setanta, Gilmour says of the current climate: 'I think it's the worst in general in football, I've never seen things quite so tight all the way through.
'It's really difficult, it's a combination of the demise of Setanta and the economy in general.
'It's really hitting home in every aspect this year like advertising income, gate money - everything has gone down.
'We're living in hard times at the moment.
'The demise of Setanta has really kicked in with everybody. You also have to look at the economy.
'Football is an expensive day out and it's really difficult for people to afford to come to football.
'Crowds are dying, income is down on the clubs and it's an ongoing situation.'
Saints have struggled to sell their 14,000 ticket allocation for Sunday's showpiece.
Just four points clear of SPL basement side Falkirk, Gilmour refuses to contemplate what effect defeat might have on their SPL survival chances, adding: 'Like every club, relegation is somewhere between falling off the edge of the moon ... but you know we would just have to cut our cloth accordingly, it's as simple as that.
'A lot of clubs budget in their own way. We budgeted for a second-bottom place in the Premier League. You look at your crowds the previous year, you look at your income from TV the previous year and we've all had a huge reduction. It's an ongoing situation. I think we're all going to have a close look at where we go next year.'
St Mirren players remain unhappy after their request for £6,000-a-man to win Sunday's final was rejected. Cup final suits and a post-match party at a hotel have also been cancelled after the players said they would rather make their own arrangements and receive money instead.

[chico]

nice of Mr Gilmour to have f**k all ambition.

[MarreZ]

Law Stud, on 18 March 2010 - 23:26, said:

Ach rubbish Codfish - I have never castigated hangers on. I've got a far bigger problem with the stupid people who would turn them away. Football needs the money that so called hangers on bring in and if you don't have hangers on around your club you are never going to recruit new loyal supporters.

Oh and in 1987 I would never have dreamt of missing my team in a Cup Final - and the SFA could have charged me £200 for that ticket - I would still have paid and it would still have been one of the best days of my life. I can't believe that St Mirren fans in particular are moaning about ticket price - even if it is outrageous.

Ofcourse, when St Mirren lose I'll be on here gloating and suggesting perhaps you should all have done as I am doing, and going to Sunderland to watch a quality team play Birmingham City for £10 a ticket. But that shouldn't detract from the point that it is bizarre that a St Mirren fan should use the £28 price tag as a reason to miss a once in a generation event.

But stuart, the tickets might be £10, but you are spending over £700 to go and see a couple of turgid low level teams play each other.