[trevisparky]

below is a copy of what is required, from st.mirren offical website forum.


posted by another member.




The traditional home colours of St. Mirren are black and white strips,
however for the first season the colours were scarlet and blue

I protest at the sad state of our club... (on reflection we are not sad at all but in pretty good condition - just in need of some TLC)
I will wear my black and white with pride at the cup final next sunday.
After that I will not and will look out a scarlet and blue scarf in protest as a plea for change at the way our club is being run. I know times are hard and we must make ends meet but can we not push on just a wee bit, take a tiny risk, be more positive,
We must all buck up our ideas in all areas of the club - from the ownership issue to the manager. (including support)
(Ownership issue - sorry it has not been sorted out yet, was led to believe it was going to happen before January,
Not heard anything since so feel left in limbo,
Supporting the board in their desire to move on, thanks for getting us to where we are. Raising the profile
of desire to move on may assist with process.
Is There a split - is this helping?
Will support the board if they change their mind and decide to stay on - but again we are in limbo.

Wear scarlet and Blue until the club is sold - support the team but put pressure on the BOD to go!
Pressure = help

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[T_S_A_R]

i'm getting a bit worried paisley is going to end up having a huge jonestownesque mass suicide due to the depressive effects of gusball.

i think the final straw this season has been the paisley saints seeing the perth saints coming up and banging in the goals and playing some decent stuff. cup final or no macpherson has to go before the black and white army heads en mass to the erskine bridge.

[robosaintee]

[deky]

Scarlet as in red?
All you need's a wee bit of white and you put to bed once and for all your closet 20,9,13 tag.

[deky]

T_S_A_R, on 16 March 2010 - 14:02, said:

cup final or no macpherson has to go before the black and white army heads en mass to the erskine bridge.

Scarlet and blue army does sound better, honest.

[iron mike python]

trevisparky, on 16 March 2010 - 13:56, said:

below is a copy of what is required, from st.mirren offical website forum.


posted by another member.




The traditional home colours of St. Mirren are black and white strips,
however for the first season the colours were scarlet and blue

I protest at the sad state of our club... (on reflection we are not sad at all but in pretty good condition - just in need of some TLC)
I will wear my black and white with pride at the cup final next sunday.
After that I will not and will look out a scarlet and blue scarf in protest as a plea for change at the way our club is being run. I know times are hard and we must make ends meet but can we not push on just a wee bit, take a tiny risk, be more positive,
We must all buck up our ideas in all areas of the club - from the ownership issue to the manager. (including support)
(Ownership issue - sorry it has not been sorted out yet, was led to believe it was going to happen before January,
Not heard anything since so feel left in limbo,
Supporting the board in their desire to move on, thanks for getting us to where we are. Raising the profile
of desire to move on may assist with process.
Is There a split - is this helping?
Will support the board if they change their mind and decide to stay on - but again we are in limbo.

Wear scarlet and Blue until the club is sold - support the team but put pressure on the BOD to go!
Pressure = help

Wear scarlet and blue ---->Board sack Gus, hires Sir Alex----> We will finish in the top 6 ----> Content St Mirren Fans

Music of Louis Armstrong kicks in.

[Captain_Sensible]

I've been reading this guff on blackandwhitearmy.com and it really does beggar belief.

As the saying goes, "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

Now bearing in mind that the current BoD took over in 1998 when we were £3 million in debt, had a ground which was beginning to fall to pieces and were staring relegation to the Second Division in the face, this is what they have achieved:

1) Underwritten a share issue in 1998 which was largely ignored by the supporters to save the club from going under.

2) Underwritten a share issue in 1999 which was largely ignored by the supporters to build a new stand to allow us into the SPL.

3) Lent the club £650k to pay of Bill Barr and fund a planning application to turn Love Street into a supermarket.

4) Secured planning permission for a supermarket at Love Street against the recommendation of the planners and against the Local Plan.

5) Sold Love Street to Tesco for £12m.

6) Built a brand new stadium.

7) Cleared all the debts.

8 ) Built our own exclusive training ground, one of only 4 clubs in Scotland to have one.

9) Overseen a fourth successive season in the top flight for the first time in almost a quarter of a century.

10) Overseen us reaching our highest league finish in 20 years.

11) Overseen us reaching our first major final in 23 years and our first League Cup Final in 55 years.

It would actually be more appropriate if the BoD turned out in scarlet and blue scarves in protest at some of our lunatic supporters!

This post has been edited by Captain_Sensible: 16 March 2010 - 14:26

[Swello]

Absolutely cringe-worthy stuff.....

I think you'll find chucking a used Season Ticket on to the pitch on the last day of the season far more effective. That got us from a St Mirren-esque position to 3rd in the league the next year

[Colin M]

Hopefully this is a total farce of a "protest" - if it has any weight at all it's potentially harmful to the club.

As such I will hunt down and murder all participants.

[OTIG_FTOF]

Captain_Sensible, on 16 March 2010 - 14:25, said:

Now bearing in mind that the current BoD took over in 1998 .........this is what they have achieved:
<snipped>

Compare and contrast to what the BoD at Firhill have done (and, even more-so, haven't) done in the same period, since SaveTheJags, and:
1) A lot of credit imho should be given to the SMFC BoD for what they have done for SMFC, as detailed in the 11 points CS has listed. They have turned around a club that could have died on its arse and ended up yo-yoing between the 1st and 2nd Division, or even worse (on and off park) by now.
2) PTFC really has been landed with a bunch of useless, incompetent, self-serving, tightfisted idiots who have played musical chairs for over a decade and if listed, a 100+ points could be easily collated over their shortcomings, failures, fk-ups, lack of personal investment, and multiple other items that have ensured PTFC is a club that promised so much, could have been in a much better place than it is now, and 90% of the blame for our current sorry state lies firmly in the hands of current and recently departed individuals who have sat on the PTFC BoD.


I was damn unhappy when I read the latest 'developments' on the in-house PropCo 'deal' ('con' would be better word!), and even more-so now, having read CS's post re the SMFC BoD and past 12 years.


This is such a good illustration on how a club (historically in crowds, potential, and past achievements, are on a par with Thistle) can be turned around in many ways, if led by some half decent BoD - so I'm going to borrow & CS's post and mine here, for a specific thread on the current PTFC BoD in the 1st div forum.

[Owsley]

As slogans go, "Can we not push on just a wee bit" isn't the best.

[iron mike python]

OTIG_FTOF, on 16 March 2010 - 14:58, said:

Compare and contrast to what the BoD at Firhill have done (and, even more-so, haven't) done in the same period, since SaveTheJags, and:
1) A lot of credit imho should be given to the SMFC BoD for what they have done for SMFC, as detailed in the 11 points CS has listed. They have turned around a club that could have died on its arse and ended up yo-yoing between the 1st and 2nd Division, or even worse (on and off park) by now.
2) PTFC really has been landed with a bunch of useless, incompetent, self-serving, tightfisted idiots who have played musical chairs for over a decade and if listed, a 100+ points could be easily collated over their shortcomings, failures, fk-ups, lack of personal investment, and multiple other items that have ensured PTFC is a club that promised so much, could have been in a much better place than it is now, and 90% of the blame for our current sorry state lies firmly in the hands of current and recently departed individuals who have sat on the PTFC BoD.


I was damn unhappy when I read the latest 'developments' on the in-house PropCo 'deal' ('con' would be better word!), and even more-so now, having read CS's post re the SMFC BoD and past 12 years.


This is such a good illustration on how a club (historically in crowds, potential, and past achievements, are on a par with Thistle) can be turned around in many ways, if led by some half decent BoD - so I'm going to borrow & CS's post and mine here, for a specific thread on the current PTFC BoD in the 1st div forum.

Thanks for posting a fair comparison between two very similar clubs. It's not often I get to see something positive about my club. On Black and White Army.com some of the supporters are acting as if they are against St Mirren getting to the final. One supporter on there was actually getting angry at fairweather supporters for showing up to the final!

Now f**k off back to the first division forum, You'll be having delusions of grandeur which is what created this stinking mess.

[thebuddie994]

FFS!!
Correct me if im wrong but we've got a cup final this weekend? We're playing top-flight football, we're debt free....

I reckon people are just bored with Gus.

[flyingscot]

Jeeze, the board have done a few things wrong in the past couple of months and there is dissent over Gus, but a protest? Thanks for getting us out of our debt and into the SPL now clear off!

The board have perhaps gone a bit early and attempted a sale at a bad time, but Glazer they are not and a copy of a Man U protest....

[Captain_Sensible]

OTIG_FTOF, on 16 March 2010 - 14:58, said:

Compare and contrast to what the BoD at Firhill have done (and, even more-so, haven't) done in the same period, since SaveTheJags, and:
1) A lot of credit imho should be given to the SMFC BoD for what they have done for SMFC, as detailed in the 11 points CS has listed. They have turned around a club that could have died on its arse and ended up yo-yoing between the 1st and 2nd Division, or even worse (on and off park) by now.
2) PTFC really has been landed with a bunch of useless, incompetent, self-serving, tightfisted idiots who have played musical chairs for over a decade and if listed, a 100+ points could be easily collated over their shortcomings, failures, fk-ups, lack of personal investment, and multiple other items that have ensured PTFC is a club that promised so much, could have been in a much better place than it is now, and 90% of the blame for our current sorry state lies firmly in the hands of current and recently departed individuals who have sat on the PTFC BoD.


I was damn unhappy when I read the latest 'developments' on the in-house PropCo 'deal' ('con' would be better word!), and even more-so now, having read CS's post re the SMFC BoD and past 12 years.


This is such a good illustration on how a club (historically in crowds, potential, and past achievements, are on a par with Thistle) can be turned around in many ways, if led by some half decent BoD - so I'm going to borrow & CS's post and mine here, for a specific thread on the current PTFC BoD in the 1st div forum.

No bother as I think I'll cut and paste your post for B&W Army.

As you say, historically, St. Mirren and Partick Thistle are two very similar sized clubs. Both sit at the lower end of the all-time top flight league table next to each other and both have had historically similar gates. The gates Thistle are curently getting in the First Division are what what we used to get in that league and vice versa for Thistle in the SPL.

How on earth the St. Mirren fans can have a go at the St. Mirren BoD when there is a perfect example of terrible directorship at a similar club just a few miles up the road is beyond comprehension.

[22inarow]

It seems changing your scarfs colours is the new way of protesting.

[T_S_A_R]

is the gripe of st mirren fans not gus has a complete aversion to flair and a crap record at bringing on young players?

no one would deny the improvement off the park over the past ten years but on the park it seems as if it has been the same stifling football since they came up with little improvement. i can remember quite a few st mirren fans expecting to push on this year (especially with accies, falkirk and motherwell in dissaray) but it seems to be the same old story with the least shots and the 2nd least shots on target (hearts have 110, saints 111).

This post has been edited by T_S_A_R: 16 March 2010 - 15:29

[Stu]

I can think of at least one person on here who'll be rushing to sign up. Perhaps we should text him the details.

[Jobby]

Is this a joke? Our club is up for sale because the board have agreed that the club needs a few fresh faces at board level to take the club to the next level. There has already been two or three generous bids knocked back by the board because the buyers would not be 'in the clubs best interest.' Stewart Gilmour is a St Mirren supporter and will only accept bids from appropriate consortiums who genuinely want to take the club further and will provide a cash injection.
We are just days away from the Cup Final and caught up in a relegation battle, everyone involved at the club will get 100% support from me for the time being so the club can have a real go at the upcoming games.

ETA: Since taking over, we're in the SPL and they've managed to wipe out every single penny of debt, plus we have the shiny new stadium along with a new State of the Art training centre.

This post has been edited by Bravo: 16 March 2010 - 15:54

[Captain_Sensible]

T_S_A_R, on 16 March 2010 - 15:28, said:

is the gripe of st mirren fans not gus has a complete aversion to flair and a crap record at bringing on young players?

The accusation that Gus has a crap record of bringing on young players is regularly made by Saints fans - but its completely without foundation.

There isn't a single young player who has been freed by St. Mirren since Gus became manager who has gone on to be a success. The fact is there has been very little coming through the youth system - which is run completely seperately from the first team for which Gus has control.

However, in saying that, the side that won the First Division had 3 players who were all teenagers at the start of the season - Kirk Broadfoot, Charlie Adam & Chris Smith. Other than McGowne, Millen, Reilly & Maxwell, all the players in that squad were under 25.

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no one would deny the improvement off the park over the past ten years but on the park it seems as if it has been the same stifling football since they came up with little improvement. i can remember quite a few st mirren fans expecting to push on this year (especially with accies, falkirk and motherwell in dissaray) but it seems to be the same old story with the least shots and the 2nd least shots on target (hearts have 110, saints 111).

St. Mirren's expectations for what should happen on the park have been completely unrealistic. When Gus became manager we were in our third successive fight against relegation to the Second Division. Now bearing in mind that we have the second lowest gates, second lowest turnover and second lowest wage budget, bearing in mind that Gus has had hardly any decent young players coming through and that he's regularly lost his best players for peanuts / nothing (eg Broadfoot, Sutton, Lappin, McGinn, etc) and he's had to deal in the bargain basement transfer market, I'll list his achievements in another "What have the Romans ever done for us" style:

1) Saved us from relegation to the Second Division in 03/04

2) Took us to First Division Runners Up in 04/05

3) Won the First Division in 05/06

4) Won the Challenge Cup in 05/06 - first time we've ever won 2 national trophies in 1 season

5) Kept us in the SPL in 06/07

6) Finished in 10th spot in 07/08 - our highest finish in 20 years

Reached the Scottish Cup Final in 08/09 for the first time in 22 years

9) Although our league position was only 11th in 08/09, the relegated team went down with a record number of points. St. Mirren were 8 pts behind the top 6 at the split, the nearest we have been to the top 6 in 2 decades.

10) Beat both of the Old Firm for the first time in a couple of decades in 08/09

11) Reached our first major final in 23 years in 09/10 and our first League Cup Final in 55 years

Yes he's achieved this with anti-football - but he's had to do it on a relative shoetring whilst losing his best players and having no decent youth. When Gus Macpherson became manager I went to places like Palmerston Parl expecting to get humped - and we usually got humped. We are now in our 4th season in the top flight and in a major cup final - I'd much rather be where we are today than where we were before Gus became manager.

Too many Saints fans can't see the bigger picture.

[Colin M]

Bravo, on 16 March 2010 - 15:50, said:

Is this a joke? Our club is up for sale because the board have agreed that the club needs a few fresh faces at board level to take the club to the next level. There has already been two or three generous bids knocked back by the board because the buyers would not be 'in the clubs best interest.' Stewart Gilmour is a St Mirren supporter and will only accept bids from appropriate consortiums who genuinely want to take the club further and will provide a cash injection.
We are just days away from the Cup Final and caught up in a relegation battle, everyone involved at the club will get 100% support from me for the time being so the club can have a real go at the upcoming games.

Exactly, if they hadn't said they were going to sell there would be no protest.

The Board: We want to sell the club, hopefully as quick as possible.
The Idiots: SELL IT FASTER

[Jobby]

Captain_Sensible, on 16 March 2010 - 15:51, said:

The accusation that Gus has a crap record of bringing on young players is regularly made by Saints fans - but its completely without foundation.

There isn't a single young player who has been freed by St. Mirren since Gus became manager who has gone on to be a success. The fact is there has been very little coming through the youth system - which is run completely seperately from the first team for which Gus has control.

However, in saying that, the side that won the First Division had 3 players who were all teenagers at the start of the season - Kirk Broadfoot, Charlie Adam & Chris Smith. Other than McGowne, Millen, Reilly & Maxwell, all the players in that squad were under 25.




St. Mirren's expectations for what should happen on the park have been completely unrealistic. When Gus became manager we were in our third successive fight against relegation to the Second Division. Now bearing in mind that we have the second lowest gates, second lowest turnover and second lowest wage budget, bearing in mind that Gus has had hardly any decent young players coming through and that he's regularly lost his best players for peanuts / nothing (eg Broadfoot, Sutton, Lappin, McGinn, etc) and he's had to deal in the bargain basement transfer market, I'll list his achievements in another "What have the Romans ever done for us" style:

1) Saved us from relegation to the Second Division in 03/04

2) Took us to First Division Runners Up in 04/05

3) Won the First Division in 05/06

4) Won the Challenge Cup in 05/06 - first time we've ever won 2 national trophies in 1 season

5) Kept us in the SPL in 06/07

6) Finished in 10th spot in 07/08 - our highest finish in 20 years

Reached the Scottish Cup Final in 08/09 for the first time in 22 years

9) Although our league position was only 11th in 08/09, the relegated team went down with a record number of points. St. Mirren were 8 pts behind the top 6 at the split, the nearest we have been to the top 6 in 2 decades.

10) Beat both of the Old Firm for the first time in a couple of decades in 08/09

11) Reached our first major final in 23 years in 09/10 and our first League Cup Final in 55 years

Yes he's achieved this with anti-football - but he's had to do it on a relative shoetring whilst losing his best players and having no decent youth. When Gus Macpherson became manager I went to places like Palmerston Parl expecting to get humped - and we usually got humped. We are now in our 4th season in the top flight and in a major cup final - I'd much rather be where we are today than where we were before Gus became manager.

Too many Saints fans can't see the bigger picture.

Wasn't advertised very well then

[btb]

Captain_Sensible, on 16 March 2010 - 15:51, said:

However, in saying that, the side that won the First Division had 3 players who were all teenagers at the start of the season - Kirk Broadfoot, Charlie Adam & Chris Smith. Other than McGowne, Millen, Reilly & Maxwell, all the players in that squad were under 25.

Actually Broadfoot was 20 when the season started and turned 21 in August 8th after 1 league game. You can add Murray & Potter to those who were over 25 at the start of the season and also the two players we brought in during the transfer window Anderson & Bullock (who replaced one of your three two teenagers ).

Apart from the OF loaners GM has brought two young players successfully into the team in the four years since we joined the SPL Barron (and he was dumped for the 30+ Ross at the start of last season) and McGinn. It's true none of the young players released have gone onto better things (yet) but I would say GM's record in this area is poor.

[BLF]

Swello, on 16 March 2010 - 14:46, said:

Absolutely cringe-worthy stuff.....

Yep - its really embarrassing. Those involved should hang their heads in shame at the bad publicity they are going to generate if this even gets close to taking off.

[forkboy]

btb, on 16 March 2010 - 17:43, said:

Actually Broadfoot was 20 when the season started and turned 21 in August 8th after 1 league game. You can add Murray & Potter to those who were over 25 at the start of the season and also the two players we brought in during the transfer window Anderson & Bullock (who replaced one of your three two teenagers ).

Apart from the OF loaners GM has brought two young players successfully into the team in the four years since we joined the SPL Barron (and he was dumped for the 30+ Ross at the start of last season) and McGinn. It's true none of the young players released have gone onto better things (yet) but I would say GM's record in this area is poor.

Surely it's daft to expect Gus to work with something he doesn't have? I'm sure if he had quality youth to work with he would use them.