[badgers apprentice]

going to the game today and heard something about an east stirling game that gordon smith was at and an official said he was not there he was on holiday when a dvd was filmed about some incident that has happened during a match, any light on wtf i am on aboot?

[snorkie]

badgers apprentice, on 14 March 2010 - 03:45, said:

going to the game today and heard something about an east stirling game that gordon smith was at and an official said he was not there he was on holiday when a dvd was filmed about some incident that has happened during a match, any light on wtf i am on aboot?

It could be the alleged dive from r.winters that took place in the Shire -Livi game .The incident had no affect on the game Its just sour grapes from the shire and a complete waste of time.

[EdinburghLivi]

badgers apprentice, on 14 March 2010 - 03:45, said:

going to the game today and heard something about an east stirling game that gordon smith was at and an official said he was not there he was on holiday when a dvd was filmed about some incident that has happened during a match, any light on wtf i am on aboot?

That's a lie. Alloa_Shire has a photograph of him.

[Aloysius Snuffleupagus]

conclude????

[chub]

Right basically, the SFA have sent a letter to Livingscum FC stating that an investigation will be taken into an alleged dive in the match between East Stirlingshire and Livingscum on February 20th 2010. The SFA have also said in their letter that they have footage of the dive and the case will be reviewed but the only videos taken of the game that day were videos from LiviTV and ShireTV, which are both obviously club footage, and it states in the SFA rules that club footage cannot be used as evidence for appeals etc so if Livingscum are punished by the SFA for Winters cheating then it will be done against the SFA's own rules. So Gordon McDougall, the Livingscum chairman is up in arms about the fact that they might be punished by the SFA, who will not be sticking to their own rules to do so. He must have a pretty short memory considering Livingscum had several rules broken by the authorities at the start of the season to let them away with almost every case of off the park rule breaking possible in football.

[LiviCurryCider]

Can anyone conclude this story:

Livi fans, what happened exactly 6 years ago today?

[EdinburghLivi]

chub, on 14 March 2010 - 11:47, said:

Right basically, the SFA have sent a letter to Livingscum FC stating that an investigation will be taken into an alleged dive in the match between East Stirlingshite and Livingscum on February 20th 2010. The SFA have also said in their letter that they have footage of the dive and the case will be reviewed but the only videos taken of the game that day were videos from LiviTV and ShiteTV, which are both obviously club footage, and it states in the SFA rules that club footage cannot be used as evidence for appeals etc so if Livingscum are punished by the SFA for Winters cheating then it will be done against the SFA's own rules. So Gordon McDougall, the Livingscum chairman is up in arms about the fact that they might be punished by the SFA, who will not be sticking to their own rules to do so. He must have a pretty short memory considering Livingscum had several rules broken by the authorities at the start of the season to let them away with almost every case of off the park rule breaking possible in football.

Two can play at your game!

[Livi_Lad]

booo hooo hoooo get over yourselves East Stirling. why dont you f**k off, why dont you f**k off, This League is over, why dont you f**k off!

[zoom]

Livi_Lad, on 14 March 2010 - 13:04, said:

booo hooo hoooo get over yourselves East Stirling. why dont you f**k off, why dont you f**k off, This League is over, why dont you f**k off!

Good to see the education service is working well in West Lothian, maybe if the council got the money owed to them they could improve your school.



About the origional question, i think i remember on the night of the game where Winters dived Gordon Smith asked for the tape to be submitted. I dont think anything will be done to overturn Bolo's yellow card but the understanding is Winters will be charged with improper conduct and face a ban. Gordon McDougall went on radio yesterday confirming Livi had been sent the letter from the SFA. It was also reported somewhere that the ref on viewing of the tape agreed that he had got it wrong but as he had given a 2nd yellow not a straight red it could not be overturned.

From what i understand it was requested by the SFA not sent in by the Shire.

Let's face it, we all know they SFA wont do anything about it as they never do.

This post has been edited by zoom: 14 March 2010 - 14:44

[EdinburghLivi]

What I want to know is why Robbie Winters is being singled out in a 3rd Division game in a completely inconclusive incident while players in the SPL, with coverage from several angles, get away with clear dives.

I can still see absolutely nothing in the ShireTV coverage so obvious as to make a referee change their mind and say they got it wrong. I think to suggest otherwise is blinkered.

This post has been edited by EdinburghLivi: 14 March 2010 - 15:00

[zoom]

EdinburghLivi, on 14 March 2010 - 14:58, said:

What I want to know is why Robbie Winters is being singled out in a 3rd Division game in a completely inconclusive incident while players in the SPL, with coverage from several angles, get away with clear dives.

I can still see absolutely nothing in the ShireTV coverage so obvious as to make a referee change their mind and say they got it wrong. I think to suggest otherwise is blinkered.

Suppose when your Gordon Smith or the SFA you can do what you want.

I would also say, its only Livi fans who keep saying it's inconclusive, the fact its got to the stage where the SFA are sending a letter about it, the ref indicating he got it wrong and every paper in Scotland carrying some headline the day after about "Robin Winters" or "Winters Blunderland" would suggest you take your blinkers off.


I agree with your coment about why is he being singled out in a 3rd Division game though and i can only assume that when Gordon Smith was at the game he forgot that you were not a 1st Division club anymore

[jimbo]

Whether Robbie Winter dived or not let's consider what is going on here.

I'm sure we all watch SPL televised games during the whole season and have seen countless examples of "simulation". However because Gordon Smith attends an East Stirlingshire v Livi game and sees what he thinks is an example of this a 3^rd Division player is singled out for an investigation. I watched Kyle Lafferty throw himself to the ground at the OF game a couple of weeks ago and Kris Boyd let his knees buckle under him before he went down for a penalty after being "touched" by a Dundee United player a few hours ago. That's just 2 examples. There are scores of others sitting in the BBC archives.

3^rd Division players are of course much easier targets than those from the OF. If anything comes of this are we to expect SPL players to be cautioned 3 weeks after the event any time they are filmed in similar situations?

Also the reaction of the Shire player after his card was shocking. He went ballistic at the ref and at one point actually manhandled him. Has he also been sent a letter I wonder. Where do you draw the line?

This post has been edited by jimbo: 14 March 2010 - 15:17

[EdinburghLivi]

zoom, on 14 March 2010 - 15:14, said:

Suppose when your Gordon Smith or the SFA you can do what you want.

I would also say, its only Livi fans who keep saying it's inconclusive, the fact its got to the stage where the SFA are sending a letter about it, the ref indicating he got it wrong and every paper in Scotland carrying some headline the day after about "Robin Winters" or "Winters Blunderland" would suggest you take your blinkers off.


I agree with your coment about why is he being singled out in a 3rd Division game though and i can only assume that when Gordon Smith was at the game he forgot that you were not a 1st Division club anymore

I'm saying that the footage is inconclusive which is completely true. Considering we were behind the goal, we didn't have a good view of it and hence that is all we can go on. Of course papers are going to try and stir up controversy over a controversial incident, that's hardly new is it?

Your manager could learn a thing from him

This post has been edited by EdinburghLivi: 14 March 2010 - 15:32

[LIVIFOREVER]

zoom, on 14 March 2010 - 15:14, said:

Suppose when your Gordon Smith or the SFA you can do what you want.

I would also say, its only Livi fans who keep saying it's inconclusive, the fact its got to the stage where the SFA are sending a letter about it, the ref indicating he got it wrong and every paper in Scotland carrying some headline the day after about "Robin Winters" or "Winters Blunderland" would suggest you take your blinkers off.


I agree with your coment about why is he being singled out in a 3rd Division game though and i can only assume that when Gordon Smith was at the game he forgot that you were not a 1st Division club anymore

From what i've saw you can't clearly see one way or another. Lets look at several ways you could go down and not be cheating:

Player fouled- clearly a dispute there.
Player knocked off balance but not serious enough for a foul.
Player loses his balance running past several players-nobody at fault but could be seen as diving.
Player seeing the challenge coming, dives to avoid an injury-think that's the one Eduardo used.

Even if it's deemed not to be a foul, who's to say one of the above wasn't the case, Eduardo certainly dived but won his appeal, so Winters would have a far geater case to appeal as Eduardo had daylight between him and the keeper, was on TV and got zoomed in to clearly show it was a dive, yet still won his appeal.


As has been mentioned theres blatant simulation in the SPL every week, Smith does sod all to stamp it out, this is very strange indeed that he's so interested in Livingston.

This post has been edited by LIVIFOREVER: 14 March 2010 - 16:21

[yorkie5979]

I was at this Game ---- directly in front of where Winters went down, and I'm positive that contact was made.
It also looked as if the 2nd yellow was for the players attitude after the challenge and not for the challenge its self.

[Alloa_Shire]

EdinburghLivi, on 14 March 2010 - 09:34, said:

That's a lie. Alloa_Shire has a photograph of him.

.....and here it is

[MCL]

yorkie5979, on 14 March 2010 - 20:32, said:

I was at this Game ---- directly in front of where Winters went down, and I'm positive that contact was made.
It also looked as if the 2nd yellow was for the players attitude after the challenge and not for the challenge its self.

Nope, the ref was reaching into his pocket for his yellow card as soon as it happened. He showed the card then had to get involved restraining the players and flashed it again and then the red.

[Engy FSE]

MCL, on 15 March 2010 - 10:30, said:

Nope, the ref was reaching into his pocket for his yellow card as soon as it happened. He showed the card then had to get involved restraining the players and flashed it again and then the red.

Hooray finally a Livi fan that isnt deluded, wether he dived or not bolo was geting booked, i spoke to him at teh tunnel when all teh commotion happend with our fans and he said he wanted to give winters a piece of his mind as he knew he was off.

I dont think bolo is the kind of guy to lie but shit happens and he has to move on and if Winters gets penalised for diving then shit happens and he shouldntof cheated

And for the case in the SPL and OF, about half of scotland support and OF team compared to the combined 1000 Shire and Livi fans

[The Shire Voice Of Reason]

yorkie5979, on 14 March 2010 - 20:32, said:

I was at this Game ---- directly in front of where Winters went down, and I'm positive that contact was made.

I was at this Game ---- directly in front of where Winters went down, and I'm positive that contact was NOT made. Look, it's easy to say!

Seems kind of strange that anything is going to happen at all here. If it does, then Livingston are getting singled out. Players of all teams go down all the time, but just because Gordon Smith was there...?

[MCL]

The Shire Voice Of Reason, on 15 March 2010 - 14:28, said:

I was at this Game ---- directly in front of where Winters went down, and I'm positive that contact was NOT made. Look, it's easy to say!

Seems kind of strange that anything is going to happen at all here. If it does, then Livingston are getting singled out. Players of all teams go down all the time, but just because Gordon Smith was there...?

Jim Traynor's Daily Record column today

[jimbo]

The Shire Voice Of Reason, on 15 March 2010 - 14:28, said:

I was at this Game ---- directly in front of where Winters went down, and I'm positive that contact was NOT made. Look, it's easy to say!

Seems kind of strange that anything is going to happen at all here. If it does, then Livingston are getting singled out. Players of all teams go down all the time, but just because Gordon Smith was there...?

The fact that an investigation is underway means that something has already happened.
Given that every SPL game is filmed by professionals and that all incidents are normally capable of being viewed from different angles does this mean that there will now be a flurry of further investigations by the SFA every week? I wont be holding my breath.

[chub]

jimbo, on 15 March 2010 - 15:14, said:

The fact that an investigation is underway means that something has already happened.
Given that every SPL game is filmed by professionals and that all incidents are normally capable of being viewed from different angles does this mean that there will now be a flurry of further investigations by the SFA every week? I wont be holding my breath.

If I was a Livingston fan (thank f**k I'm no) I wouldn't be complaining about unfair treatment from the authorities, especially this season.

I do agree that if they do this then they should do it for all leagues that they have any footage from but just because he's a 3rd division player doesn't mean he should be allowed to cheat and get away with it.

[Jon Beast]

EdinburghLivi, on 14 March 2010 - 14:58, said:

What I want to know is why Robbie Winters is being singled out in a 3rd Division game in a completely inconclusive incident while players in the SPL, with coverage from several angles, get away with clear dives.

I can still see absolutely nothing in the ShireTV coverage so obvious as to make a referee change their mind and say they got it wrong. I think to suggest otherwise is blinkered.

What about this coverage then?



This is not the ShireTV footage.

[jimbo]

I'd say that at best that footage is inconclusive. What it does show however is that the referee has a clear view of it which is one reason I am at a loss to understand why it has merited an investigation.

[EdinburghLivi]

Is Lee McCulloch going to be pulled up for his absolutely blatent dive on Sunday?

I agree with Jimbo. The referee is in a great position and yet footage from a poor angle seems to be more conclusive than that? I'll agree he's gone down easily, from that, to say that there's no contact is still stupid. The slow mo seems to show a forearm smash from Mr. Bolosajshbdjhbsjhdaski or however you spell his name.

This post has been edited by EdinburghLivi: 22 March 2010 - 18:19