[miketheheadlesschicken]

number one wasp, on 10 March 2010 - 16:11, said:

we are stirlings rivals we are closest to you always have been rivals always will be simples.

Location doesn't necessarily equal a rivalry. I can't remember Stirling and Alloa battling it out for a league title in all the years I've watched Stirling other than this year (and it's not looking like it's going to be much of a battle). I've never met or known any Alloa fans that I could have any banter with. Alloa to me is just another 3 points (or more likely 0 points on Saturday), just like every other team in the division.

[Sevennil]

Not looking forward to this one tbh. If we have both Buist and Walker out (and with Townsley carrying an injury now - he had to walk/hobble about the pitch for the last 20 mins last night after we'd used all 3 subs) then i can only see a SA win, and a pretty hefty one more than likely.
Or judging by last night, it could make for a pretty entertaining game as there could be a few goals due to us having a poor defence/decent strikeforce. Maybe we should just set out our stall to out-score them for a change rather than concentrating on conceding less . Or we could just start with 9.5 players!

Prediction: SAFC 4-1 AAFC

Then Mattie can finally go into school on a post-derby Monday looking like this

[number one wasp]

miketheheadlesschicken, on 10 March 2010 - 17:55, said:

Location doesn't necessarily equal a rivalry. I can't remember Stirling and Alloa battling it out for a league title in all the years I've watched Stirling other than this year (and it's not looking like it's going to be much of a battle). I've never met or known any Alloa fans that I could have any banter with. Alloa to me is just another 3 points (or more likely 0 points on Saturday), just like every other team in the division.

The majority of rivalries are because of location the old firm derby, newcastle vs sunderland, liverpool vs everton, arsenal vs spurs

[miketheheadlesschicken]

number one wasp, on 10 March 2010 - 18:32, said:

The majority of rivalries are because of location the old firm derby, newcastle vs sunderland, liverpool vs everton, arsenal vs spurs

Location is part of it. My point was that it isn't purely location. If it was purely location then the big derbies in Glasgow would be Rangers vs. Partick and Celtic vs. Queen's Park. I'd class Stirling vs. Alloa as a local derby, purely due to the proximity of the two towns, but I wouldn't class it as a rivalry. There just isn't that much of a history of important games or promotion/relegation battles between the two, at least not it recent times.

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[black and gold army]

Il go for 1-0 to Alloa. Obviously it will be Andy Scott to score again

[number one wasp]

miketheheadlesschicken, on 10 March 2010 - 18:51, said:

Location is part of it. My point was that it isn't purely location. If it was purely location then the big derbies in Glasgow would be Rangers vs. Partick and Celtic vs. Queen's Park. I'd class Stirling vs. Alloa as a local derby, purely due to the proximity of the two towns, but I wouldn't class it as a rivalry. There just isn't that much of a history of important games or promotion/relegation battles between the two, at least not it recent times.

Titles/relegation doesnt make a rivalry either though so you dont really have a basis for your point you never had title/relegation battles with falkirk recently yet some consider them more as rivals.

[miketheheadlesschicken]

number one wasp, on 10 March 2010 - 18:58, said:

Titles/relegation doesnt make a rivalry either though so you dont really have a basis for your point

How does it not? If you have a history of competing against another team for titles then of course there's going to be a rivalry. That's why the Old Firm are rivals or Liverpool/Manchester Utd, Barcelona/Real Madrid etc.

number one wasp, on 10 March 2010 - 18:58, said:

you never had title/relegation battles with falkirk recently yet some consider them more as rivals.

I don't consider Falkirk as a rival. I view them in exactly the same way that I view Alloa.

[number one wasp]

miketheheadlesschicken, on 10 March 2010 - 19:07, said:

How does it not? If you have a history of competing against another team for titles then of course there's going to be a rivalry. That's why the Old Firm are rivals or Liverpool/Manchester Utd, Barcelona/Real Madrid etc.


I don't consider Falkirk as a rival. I view them in exactly the same way that I view Alloa.

The old firm are rivals because of location and title challenges liverpool and man utd are not a rivalry the fans just have a certain hatred for each other barca are the same it is just title challenges not fully fledged rivalrys. Stirling fans need to realize they arent big timers no more and face facts its a derby and its a rivalry because theirs no point calling it a derby without a certain rivalry being there in the first place.

[miketheheadlesschicken]

number one wasp, on 10 March 2010 - 19:13, said:

The old firm are rivals because of location and title challenges liverpool and man utd are not a rivalry the fans just have a certain hatred for each other barca are the same it is just title challenges not fully fledged rivalrys.

Liverpool and Man Utd don't have a rivalry? Nor Barca and Real Madrid? That's special, even for you.

number one wasp, on 10 March 2010 - 19:13, said:

Stirling fans need to realize they arent big timers no more

We've never been big timers as far as I'm concerned and I'd be surprised if any Stirling fan thinks we were. You seem to be annoyed by drs' comments on the issue (which was his main goal) and have come to the conclusion that he speaks for all Stirling fans. I don't see Alloa as being any different to Brechin or Cowdenbeath just because we happen to be a few miles apart. Some fans do but I never have done, never will do. I just don't see any history between the teams that constitutes calling it a rivalry.

[StewartyMac]

number one wasp, on 10 March 2010 - 19:13, said:

liverpool and man utd are not a rivalry

This one line is worthy of the Gold Forum.

[printer]

Can we leave all debate about derbies, rivalries and non-rivalries just now and concentrate on the actual game?

StewartyMac, on 10 March 2010 - 19:33, said:

This one line is worthy of the Gold Forum.

Let it go Number One Wasp.

This post has been edited by printer: 10 March 2010 - 19:48

[number one wasp]

printer, on 10 March 2010 - 19:45, said:

Let it go Number One Wasp.

Dont worry im not going to respond.

[Waspie]

miketheheadlesschicken, on 10 March 2010 - 19:28, said:

I just don't see any history between the teams that constitutes calling it a rivalry.

Well as Ive said before Stirling are in Scottish football terms quite a young club, a Livingston for the 1940's some might say, so dont have as illustrious a history as many other clubs . On a more serious point though there was clearly a rivalry even before the birth of the Binos given a Kings Park v. Alloa match at Forthbank in the pre WW1 years was abandoned due to crowd violence

Personally I started going to Alloa games in 1988 and without doubt it was obvious then that there was something a bit different to these games. That was a season when both clubs were going for promotion and there was a real buzz to the matches. When the clubs played towards the end of the nineties after a few seasons of Alloa being in a lower league again there was a buzz and that was the case too in 2004 when Stirling came back up from Division 3. If some fans dont feel there is anything different to the game thats fair enough but Id argue that there are enough people who will slag off lower league football and say it cant compare to bigger clubs or their rivalries etc without us talking it down as well.

See some talk of Walker being suspended for this one but is that the case if he got 2 yellows rather than a straight red? His leadership would be a big miss and even more so given we seem to have a few other defenders carrying knocks.

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[StewartyMac]

Waspie, on 10 March 2010 - 20:31, said:

See some talk of Walker being suspended for this one but is that the case if he got 2 yellows rather than a straight red?

Should be.

Is the 2 yellows/straight red scenario not only applicable when it's a different competition, eg if a player receives a straight red in a cup game, he misses the next game regardless of what competition, but if it was a red after two yellows, he only misses the next game in that particular competition?

[bsd]

Waspie, on 10 March 2010 - 20:31, said:

On a more serious point though there was clearly a rivalry even before the birth of the Binos given a Kings Park v. Alloa match at Forthbank in the pre WW1 years was abandoned due to crowd violence

Ah the good old days.

To me the rivalry is not as fierce as it used to be. I remember games from years ago that seemed more intense. It's really just another 3 points these days.

We desperately need Welsh to be playing and to be up to speed. McCafferty is no answer at LB. At CB we're struggling. No Buist, probably no Walker. I read that Townsley could be injured. Brown can move back but then we miss him in midfield. Need big performances from the whole midfield and Prunty to start scoring again.

Not confident at all.

[number one wasp]

I wish people would stop criticizing McCaferty he is only a young lad and he done a fair enough job at the start of the season i dont think the lad bloom was much better having his best game the last of his loan spell once he got into our style of play. Agree that we are struggling at centre back and i am not confident about this one either.

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number one wasp, on 11 March 2010 - 02:33, said:

I wish people would stop criticizing McCaferty he is only a young lad and he done a fair enough job at the start of the season i dont think the lad bloom was much better having his best game the last of his loan spell once he got into our style of play. Agree that we are struggling at centre back and i am not confident about this one either.

McCafferty had a nightmare in the first half- not the only one by any means, and not helped by the big gap in front of him most of the time admittedly, but at times he was all over the place. Improved in the second half when the team did.
Sorry to say, Bloom was far better in that position- remind me how many games were lost with Bloom in the team?

Bit of a contradiction anyway, seeing as you tear another young Alloa player Gary Carroll to shreds when you think he has a bad game.

[Waspie]

Father Barrys Sign (Top Half), on 11 March 2010 - 07:17, said:

McCafferty had a nightmare in the first half- not the only one by any means, and not helped by the big gap in front of him most of the time admittedly, but at times he was all over the place. Improved in the second half when the team did.
Sorry to say, Bloom was far better in that position- remind me how many games were lost with Bloom in the team?

Bit of a contradiction anyway, seeing as you tear another young Alloa player Gary Carroll to shreds when you think he has a bad game.

Have to agree with that, was really impressed by Bloom in the games I saw him play and our team had a far better balance to it with him at full-back. Dont know why Welsh wasnt playing on Tuesday and hopefully he'll be available at the weekend, but if it turned out we were indeed short at left back between now and the end of the season we could do far worse than try and get Bloom back to the Recs for another loan spell. As for McCafferty I cant recall anybody criticising his efforts anyway, its more a case of people just stating the simple fact that he isnt a left-back.

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Waspie, on 11 March 2010 - 09:28, said:

Have to agree with that, was really impressed by Bloom in the games I saw him play and our team had a far better balance to it with him at full-back. Dont know why Welsh wasnt playing on Tuesday and hopefully he'll be available at the weekend, but if it turned out we were indeed short at left back between now and the end of the season we could do far worse than try and get Bloom back to the Recs for another loan spell. As for McCafferty I cant recall anybody criticising his efforts anyway, its more a case of people just stating the simple fact that he isnt a left-back.

Pretty sure Welsh couldnt get away from his work on Tuesday Waspie- thats what I heard at the game anyway. Noticed Bloom was on the bench for Falkirk against Celtic on Sunday- probably one of those enforced under-21 subs though.

[bsd]

Yeah, I'm not having a pop at McCafferty. He's doing his best in a position he is not suited for. Not his fault. Merely stating that he is no LB. There was a noticeable difference when Bloom played. Hopefully Welsh will play and can hit the ground running.

[number one wasp]

Not saying bloom wasnt a good player he was but i expected more from him being an SPL left back. McCaferty isnt a left back i think hes naturally a CB capable of playing at LB which i think hes done a fair job at in any games ive seen us play i couldnt make it on tuesday so cant comment but it doesnt sound like anyone had a great game. I have stated gary has struggled in games but i also stated he improved after a run in the team. Let me ask you this if we didnt have welsh and our left backs were McCaferty and iain campbell who would you rather i know my answer.

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number one wasp, on 11 March 2010 - 13:58, said:

Not saying bloom wasnt a good player he was but i expected more from him being an SPL left back. McCaferty isnt a left back i think hes naturally a CB capable of playing at LB which i think hes done a fair job at in any games ive seen us play i couldnt make it on tuesday so cant comment but it doesnt sound like anyone had a great game. I have stated gary has struggled in games but i also stated he improved after a run in the team. Let me ask you this if we didnt have welsh and our left backs were McCaferty and iain campbell who would you rather i know my answer.

Bloom isnt an SPL left back though- he was an 18 year old signed by Falkirk, who I dont think had played a single SPL game. He was a stop gap signing who didnt do anything wrong in his time at the club, and we didnt lose any games he played in. What were you expecting, the next Arthur Numan?

[waspy1995]

If towner and walker i could see our team looking like this


Crawford

McClune
McCafferty
Brown
Welsh


Gilhaney
Grant
Ferguson
Scott


Noble
Prunty


Still cant see us winning this game
SAFC 2-0 AAFC

[number one wasp]

Father Barrys Sign (Top Half), on 11 March 2010 - 15:25, said:

Bloom isnt an SPL left back though- he was an 18 year old signed by Falkirk, who I dont think had played a single SPL game. He was a stop gap signing who didnt do anything wrong in his time at the club, and we didnt lose any games he played in. What were you expecting, the next Arthur Numan?

Wasnt expecting the next Arthur Numan no but i was expecting someone you could see would be able to fit in above this level but he looked fairly average at this level and done just what was needed

[BinoBalls]

Bit surprised the amount of Alloa fans who forsee an Albion victory -- granted you have defensive injuries but we haven't won a home league game since October and haven't kept a clean sheet in 19 games. So you will score. To lose we'd need to score 2, and so far in 180 minutes against Alloa this season we've scored 0.

We've drawn 7 of our 11 home games this season. Predict 1-1 on Saturday.

And number one wasp -- can you please change your name, cause if you're number one then God help the rest of them.