[The Hero of the Day]

Shuggie_Murray7, on Jan 5 2010, 19:47, said:

He probably did screw Bret. But in my opinion he made the right decision. Bret refused to do what was right for business, and contract clause or not, Brets decision was bullshit. Bret isn't bigger than the WWE. You also have to remember the competative nature of the business at that time and I think that most people in Vinnie Macs position would have done the same thing....I know I would have.

Lets just say WWF was a UK thing where you, the Scottish guy held the belt, and refused to loose in Scotland because you were a hero and you were getting a lot of heat from the English. Would you have dropped in the belt in Scotland, bearing in mind your contract clause?

DomDom, on Jan 5 2010, 19:54, said:

He didn't make the right decision. The right decision could have been to job Bret some other time. He had no problem losing to Shawn Michaels. He DID have a problem losing to him at Survivor Series 1997.

Shawn Michaels knows a lot about doing that to guys.

Do tell?

[DomDom]

The Hero of the Day, on Jan 6 2010, 10:50, said:

Do tell?

British Bulldog, Bret Hart and Vader all ended up feeling it over the course of 1996.

Shawn Michaels didn't want to drop any falls to Bret Hart in the Wrestlemania XII Iron Man Match. Hence the boring 0-0 draw. Vader was supposed to win the title from HBK, and was actually going to do so untill HBK vetoed the idea at the very last second, and Vinny Mac went with it leading to the bullshit ending we got.

Bulldog got it in a different ways. During a match between Bulldog and HBK ( not sure which one of the two PPV matches it was ), the referee got word that their match was to be shortened to under 20 minutes and he let HBK know this. He instantly jumped to his feet and had a hissy fit

Steve Austin ALMOST felt it at Wrestlemania XIV, but the story here is brilliant. Basically, HBK kept on saying that he wouldn't job, so The Undertaker told Shawn Michaels that if he messed up, he'd be waiting, and taped his fists up before HBK went through the curtain. Jim Cornette laughed when asked about it, while The Undertaker said "yeah, it went like that".

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Lets just say WWF was a UK thing where you, the Scottish guy held the belt, and refused to loose in Scotland because you were a hero and you were getting a lot of heat from the English. Would you have dropped in the belt in Scotland, bearing in mind your contract clause?

Here's the thing. Normally the clause wouldn't be an issue. The guy in the country would win because it makes no sense to do otherwise.

[The Hero of the Day]

DomDom, on Jan 6 2010, 13:46, said:

British Bulldog, Bret Hart and Vader all ended up feeling it over the course of 1996.

Shawn Michaels didn't want to drop any falls to Bret Hart in the Wrestlemania XII Iron Man Match. Hence the boring 0-0 draw. Vader was supposed to win the title from HBK, and was actually going to do so untill HBK vetoed the idea at the very last second, and Vinny Mac went with it leading to the bullshit ending we got.

Bulldog got it in a different ways. During a match between Bulldog and HBK ( not sure which one of the two PPV matches it was ), the referee got word that their match was to be shortened to under 20 minutes and he let HBK know this. He instantly jumped to his feet and had a hissy fit

Steve Austin ALMOST felt it at Wrestlemania XIV, but the story here is brilliant. Basically, HBK kept on saying that he wouldn't job, so The Undertaker told Shawn Michaels that if he messed up, he'd be waiting, and taped his fists up before HBK went through the curtain. Jim Cornette laughed when asked about it, while The Undertaker said "yeah, it went like that".



Here's the thing. Normally the clause wouldn't be an issue. The guy in the country would win because it makes no sense to do otherwise.

Why did Michaels not want to loose to Austin? Surely if Vince told Shawn to drop the belt then I'm sure Shawn would have? Just like at Montreal where Shawn said that he would "do anything" for Vince.

What was the BS ending between Shawn and Vader again?

[DomDom]

The Hero of the Day, on Jan 6 2010, 13:59, said:

Why did Michaels not want to loose to Austin? Surely if Vince told Shawn to drop the belt then I'm sure Shawn would have? Just like at Montreal where Shawn said that he would "do anything" for Vince.

What was the BS ending between Shawn and Vader again?

I'm not sure what the reasoning was, other than HBK being a colossal p***k at the time. It's fairly well documented though.

The ending of the match was changed so as Vader could beat HBK twice ( by DQ and count out ) and then eventually HBK won the match. Fair enough that Vader got a couple of wins as an apology.

[Shuggie_Murray7]

The Hero of the Day, on Jan 6 2010, 10:50, said:

Lets just say WWF was a UK thing where you, the Scottish guy held the belt, and refused to loose in Scotland because you were a hero and you were getting a lot of heat from the English. Would you have dropped in the belt in Scotland, bearing in mind your contract clause?

Yes. If it makes sense. If I was on the way out of the compnay that made then I would have no problem doing that. Now say he it was a matter of simply dropping the strap then hell yeah I'd bring the clause into play. But your on your way out of the company, do whats right.

[DomDom]

Shuggie_Murray7, on Jan 6 2010, 17:17, said:

Yes. If it makes sense. If I was on the way out of the compnay that made then I would have no problem doing that. Now say he it was a matter of simply dropping the strap then hell yeah I'd bring the clause into play. But your on your way out of the company, do whats right.

He was willing to do the right thing. Just not on that night.

Incidentally, another member of the Hart family lost a title on their home turf to Shawn Michaels in the lead up to this. A guy who I mentioned earlier in this thread actually.

McMahon did over Bret because he was leaving. Not because he wouldn't drop the title. That and pure paranoia. He also decided to bury the Hart Foundation, outside of Owen Hart who was crucial to them.

[Shuggie_Murray7]

DomDom, on Jan 6 2010, 17:38, said:

He was willing to do the right thing. Just not on that night.

Incidentally, another member of the Hart family lost a title on their home turf to Shawn Michaels in the lead up to this. A guy who I mentioned earlier in this thread actually.

McMahon did over Bret because he was leaving. Not because he wouldn't drop the title. That and pure paranoia. He also decided to bury the Hart Foundation, outside of Owen Hart who was crucial to them.

In other words he wasn;t willing to do the right thing?

I don't reckon McMahon shat on Bret because he was leaving, it was Vince who asked Bret to talk with WCW.

[DomDom]

Shuggie_Murray7, on Jan 6 2010, 18:14, said:

In other words he wasn;t willing to do the right thing?

I don't reckon McMahon shat on Bret because he was leaving, it was Vince who asked Bret to talk with WCW.

Oh aye ! Totally forgot about that ! Something to do with the contract and stuff wasn't it ?

Kinda puts another spin on the situation.

[Shuggie_Murray7]

DomDom, on Jan 6 2010, 18:30, said:

Oh aye ! Totally forgot about that ! Something to do with the contract and stuff wasn't it ?

Kinda puts another spin on the situation.

To be honest the whole situation is fucked up.

I think Bret signed a 20 year contract the year before Montreal after listening to deals from both sides. Vinnie Mac quickly realised he couldn't afford it (I don't think anyone realised how much financial strain WWF was under at the time) and asked Bret to reconsider WCWs offer. It doesn't really make sense for Vince to then screw Bret for going to WCW.

[DomDom]

Shuggie_Murray7, on Jan 6 2010, 18:36, said:

To be honest the whole situation is fucked up.

I think Bret signed a 20 year contract the year before Montreal after listening to deals from both sides. Vinnie Mac quickly realised he couldn't afford it (I don't think anyone realised how much financial strain WWF was under at the time) and asked Bret to reconsider WCWs offer. It doesn't really make sense for Vince to then screw Bret for going to WCW.

It actually still does. WCW were getting a huge star and were beating RAW in the ratings at that point. Vince McMahon might have been thinking of a sort of double whammy. 1) He is making himself into a bigger heel and 2) he is weaking Bret Hart's position. Of course the second didn't actually happen.

[Shuggie_Murray7]

DomDom, on Jan 6 2010, 18:40, said:

It actually still does. WCW were getting a huge star and were beating RAW in the ratings at that point. Vince McMahon might have been thinking of a sort of double whammy. 1) He is making himself into a bigger heel and 2) he is weaking Bret Hart's position. Of course the second didn't actually happen.

1) It most definetly would have made Vince the ubber heel in pro wrestling.

2) I don't see how it would have weakened Brets position though.

This post has been edited by Shuggie_Murray7: 06 January 2010 - 18:59